Where are people catching it?

[ilkleymoorbartat]

Presumably people in Tier 4 are hardly using public transport, the buses in London are empty. Schools are off, pubs are closed. Everyone I know is obeying the rules, possibly going for outside walks with one other person. Where is this massive spread coming from?

I know quite a few people (S London) who got it about two weeks ago and have no idea how they caught it. People have definitely been catching it more easily - though it seems to have slowed now.

I don't think its supermarkets, I have family who have worked in supermarkets throughout the pandemic without catching it. Whereas every NHS employee that I know (and I know a lot as I work in a hospital) has had it. Also DH is a teacher and so many of his colleagues have also had Covid.
There are also still idiots around who are letting their teenagers meet up outside of school for sleepovers. My friends DD lives in central London and went to stay over at her friends for a large 16th birthday party last week. The reasoning was "well they all mix in school".

Very recent Cases I know have arisen from rule breaking house gathering in Tier 3...

[quote Parkmama]@annevonkleve I gave blood recently too and was surprised at how busy it was and how social distancing was not really possible, it all felt quite casual to be honest! [/quote]
Perhaps it varies. It certainly doesn't feel casual at my donor centre.

Even with the stricter lockdown in March, it was three weeks or so until hospitals hit their 'peak' of covid admissions I seem to remember.

Hospitalisations peaked on 1 April in England. Lockdown was 24 March, 8 days earlier. Make of that what you will...

@catra why are they going to church???

Both of my friend's parents tested positive this week. They caught it from church.

It's looking increasingly like mask wearing, hand washing & 2 metres of space aren't enough.

I do have to say though, on the few occasions I ventured out to a shop before Xmas they were rammed & had more than it's fair share of teenagers not wearing masks and men trolling about with the noses hanging over their masks like flacid penises of doom.

You only have to read a few threads on here to realise how many people are rule breaking.

Time fore another full lockdown. We only have ourselves to blame.

I actually think we need another lockdown, the vaccine is here now so it won't be for long.

Poppy2021 I am so sorry to hear about your DH.

@TammyHullfigure

Well if you can’t see a link between increased frequency and duration of social contacts and passing on the coronavirus then perhaps you need to go and do some wider reading..

Perhaps you need to do some critical thinking. That poster listed a load of "scenarios" (possibly fabricated) of things she has seen that she doesn't like. No evidence that that spread anything. The fast spreading is from workplaces, education and supermarkets (according to the studies I've seen).

I am the poster and that list was everything I have seen my friends or family in Tier 4 do since the start of the Christmas holidays

My critical thinking is just fine thanks; I have a PhD in behavioural psychology

Perhaps we have hit a nerve on this thread as you seem very touchy when posters explain how they have seen people they know breaking the rules and how this can lead to increased spread of the virus.

#StayHome!

There was a radio phone in last week where people were calling in from London and freely admitting they and all their friends were going to warehouse parties every weekend! One woman boasted about her full diary and said 'we've all had Covid already, and we're not giving up our social life for anyone'! There are some idiots out there.

I'm Tier 2. My 90 year old neighbour went for her vaccine the other day and said the queues were chaos leading into the health centre. She said nobody was distancing and the nurse came out with a box of chocolates and everyone was dipping in.

There must be any number of ways people catch and spread it. In particular the asymptomatic spreaders, many of whom are likely to be children. It's a nightmare!

@HalfPastThree

Hospitalisations peaked on 1 April in England. Lockdown was 24 March, 8 days earlier. Make of that what you will...

You know it and sadly so do I ...

People take a long time to die from Covid; they suffer for on average four weeks and then sadly pass away - it is a nasty horrid disease that gives illusion of recovery

Their suffering is not reflected in the raw data

We have cases now - we will have double deaths in two weeks and beyond as these poor souls will die then (not when we are looking at figures now)

It can take two weeks to come out, so schools is still a possibility

The people I know who have just received positive Covid results caught it from (1) their children, or (2) a family member working in a school, or (3) presumed through the workplace as they work in healthcare.

Shocking how many have caught it from their children.

[quote Purplethrow]@Ranald I don’t think people are more likely to catch it from non essential retail than essential retail but non essential retail being open means more people are going out for unnecessary reasons.
It’s a difficult balance though , trying to keep the economy and businesses going but also keeping people safe.
I work in non essential retail, for what is meant to be click and collect but the rules are being broken.[/quote]
Ah I see what you were getting at now, thanks. I read it at first as that non essential shops were where people were catching it!

I think the definition is subjective and people still don't follow basic cleanliness habits (which I'd expect they should follow anyway even before the pandemic) like washing their hands after using the loo.

Students returning home from university also a possibility.

My Ds girlfriend works in a supermarket and 12 members of staff caught Covid.
My Ds caught it from his girlfriend.

My friend caught it at work, secondary school teacher.
My OHs aunt caught it in hospital, she tested negative when she went in with something non covid related. She died after being in a coma for 24 hours

I am in London, so in tier 4. Based on my experiences:

• local playgrounds are still open so lots of children and adults are mixing;
• under 18 outdoor sport is allowed so children and teens are mixing doing sport;
• and of course there are some people who don’t care and are having friends and family over to socialise.

Close relative has tested positive today. She has caught it whilst in hospital

A lady a few doors away from me has only been out 3 times in July/Aug since March. She is not CEV but in her late 60's and very anxious and scared. I was told she has been ill and now tested positive. I spoke to her dd and she definitely has not been out. Dd told me she speaks to her from her garden once a week. She has her shopping delivered. So how she got it can only be from shopping delivery or online gift shopping. Only other thing her dd can think of is from her cat who goes out.

I'm terrified and living under a cloud of doom. My DS has a hospital appointment next week and it feels like we're doomed. It's one of the worst affected areas of the country, I so wish we could avoid it but it's quite urgent.

Bars and restaurants were open in tier 4 areas until mid December. They went from tier 2-4 very quickly. In my area many people ate out as groups of six having simply lied to say they were a household / bubble etc. I would have thought there is still some impact of that in the numbers as it transmits through households.

Everyone I know who has had it caught it at work or caught it from DCs in their late teens / early 20's who'd been out in bars and restaurants prior to tier 3 restrictions. There have been two cases at school and these children caught it from their parents who caught it at work (one works in Aldi, another in a bank)

[quote Canyoncall]@catra why are they going to church???

Both of my friend's parents tested positive this week. They caught it from church.[/quote]
@Catra because in some tiers you can still attend church.

Anecdotal but a friend of mine works for track and trace. The one thing they have noted about the people she calls (i.e. the people who have tested positive to get their contacts) is that they have been EVERYWHERE. Out and about, seeing relatives, lots of visits to shops, hospitality (when it was open), etc. They don’t really speak to anyone who goes to the shop once a week and doesn’t really see anyone.

@Franklyfrost

I saw 37 adults, not social distancing and drinking, in a rural car park on Christmas Day.

@Franklyfrost it’s even more ridiculous that you stopped to count them specifically.