53,000 cases today

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Shit

I'll bet my bottom dollar that at some point (perhaps when the magic money tree runs out of leaves), the government are going to "pretend" the vaccine is having the right effect, by quickly reversing the scaremongering, hushing up covid deaths, instructing hospitals to send out press releases "our figures are going down", telling people "the new strain is not as deadly as we thought", telling us to go out and spend money because the revenue is "desperately needed"..., and the new three-word slogan will be "spend, spend, spend"; it won't matter to the government that millions will have lost their jobs by then; they don't understand basic realities like that.

A good friend of DH is a paramedic and he was stuck for well over an hour and a half in A&E last night as ambulance crew cannot hand over a patient until they have been officially 'seen' and it was just too busy

@Zoflorabore

Wow.

My 17yr old ds and his dad had to get a test on Sunday as they were due to attend a football match last night and that was part of the deal.

They went to one of many in our city and got the results back in 30 mins. My ex ( his dad ) told me that every single one he had tried to book in at was full and they went to one out of the area. These are supposedly for people with no symptoms!

And yet they were all full. My mum went to a different one last week and it was empty, as did her husband.

I think many have waited to get Christmas “out of the way” as what else would explain the sudden increase in uptake?

As it was, ex and our ds were both negative but the match was called off as the opposite team had positive covid cases and it was postponed.

The test centres were rammed on Christmas week as well and particularly Christmas Eve. They had to turn people away in the end as the queues were that long.

@Northernsoulgirl45

We I have just heard that my 40 something nurse friend is so poorly with COVID that she is being admitted to hospital. When she got the test she was feeling fairly fine.

This is serious and death isn't the only bad outcome.

My 40 something friend has just been put on a ventilator.

She was also fine when she was first disagnosed.

@alreadytaken

Deaths are still reflecting the last lot of restriction, the big increases will come in a few weeks time because the pipes in some hospitals cant cope with the demand for oxygen and the country is running out of places to send patients when the hospitals get overwhelmed.

Amazes me how people need to deny what is happening, I guess they are mentally too fragile to cope with reality.

I guess it makes posters feel better typing this sort of scathing stuff in. No idea why.

@wanderings

I'll bet my bottom dollar that at some point (perhaps when the magic money tree runs out of leaves), the government are going to "pretend" the vaccine is having the right effect, by quickly reversing the scaremongering, hushing up covid deaths, instructing hospitals to send out press releases "our figures are going down", telling people "the new strain is not as deadly as we thought", telling us to go out and spend money because the revenue is "desperately needed"..., and the new three-word slogan will be "spend, spend, spend"; it won't matter to the government that millions will have lost their jobs by then; they don't understand basic realities like that.

I don’t think I’d be shocked at all to be honest if that happens.

@MrsHedgeLegs

Tests are inaccurate.

The denial is strong in this one.

Cases mean nothing. We have no idea how many cases there were back in March/April as people weren't tested.

Hospital admissions are the key measure and even then, the government are not being clear about how they are measuring this - a "covid death" is a death from any cause within 28 days of a positive test which is not the same as a death caused by Covid.

Feel free though to get swept along in the hysteria and panic-mongering which has been the speciality of this forum since February. The rest of us are just getting on with living.

Hospitals in England and Wales are now treating more Covid patients than at the peak of the first wave in April!!!

Mental fragility seems the insult of the day if you’re not screaming from the roof tops about case numbers.

All this oh my god! about case numbers is doing what exactly? You’re changing nothing except panicking.

@RaspberryCoulis

Cases mean nothing. We have no idea how many cases there were back in March/April as people weren't tested.

Hospital admissions are the key measure and even then, the government are not being clear about how they are measuring this - a "covid death" is a death from any cause within 28 days of a positive test which is not the same as a death caused by Covid.

Feel free though to get swept along in the hysteria and panic-mongering which has been the speciality of this forum since February. The rest of us are just getting on with living.

Well said! People love to wallow in death & scaremongering. The hospitals are always busy this time of year.

i cannot believe people put off testing before Christmas, so they could still mix? how utterly selfish

@Skipsurvey

i cannot believe people put off testing before Christmas, so they could still mix? how utterly selfish

Nothing surprises me anymore.

Not many hospitals worry that they are going to run out of oxygen every year though!

Wot - has no-one been along yet to say that 'MN loves doom and gloom' and that 'ppl are wetting themselves with excitement' and 'posters are just hoping it will get worse'?

Surely we can expect the usual suspects to complain - or have they finally fucked off back to Hunland?

What did anyone expect, post Christmas?

Too many people not abiding by the rules, or not being sensible even if their Tier allowed some mixing. And the mutant strain.

Mumsnet seems to be divided into 2 camps:

1 The people who always comply and do LESS than they are allowed.
2 The people who never comply and like to boast about it.

The deniers will never understand. The penny won't drop.

What is terrifying is that they can't fathom that they may die of a heart attack/cancer/stroke as the NHS is on its knees dealing with Covid.

Its not a just a virus that 99% survive its the knock on effect it has for us all when other services are wiped out.

I hope the idiots at the back heard.

"Hospital admissions are the key measure"

It would be interesting to know if there is a quickly accessible source for a breakdown of hospital admissions figures into:

a) admissions of people testing positive who are admitted because they need to be treated for corona
b) admissions of people admitted for something else (the classic broken leg example, possibly quite rare in reality) who also have a positive test at the time of admission but don't require treatment for corona
c) people already in hospital for something else who then test positive after 7 days and need to be treated for corona
d) people already in hospital who then test positive after 7 days but no symptoms.

Not denying anything btw, just like data.

@MarshaBradyo

Weirdly our deaths are still below normal range in this area. But cases are nearly a vertical line.

Obviously a lag yes but it hasn’t budged for a few weeks and cases have.

My London borough is the same. Cases are rocketing up.

However hospital admissions are hardly up at all.

Deaths lower than last two winters so far. In fact they fell again this week.

We started getting bad from end of November case wise at schools. So would expect deaths to be terrible by now. I can only assume some how the more vulnerable haven't been affected here and all these cases are health kids and their families (Mass testing area).

All very odd compared with the figures from surrounding areas.

Well said! People love to wallow in death & scaremongering.
The hospitals are always busy this time of year.

Crosspost.

@Skipsurvey

i cannot believe people put off testing before Christmas, so they could still mix? how utterly selfish

Not sure where this is coming from but crazy if so. But then I always thought Christmas mixing was a mistake.

@RaspberryCoulis

Cases mean nothing. We have no idea how many cases there were back in March/April as people weren't tested.

Hospital admissions are the key measure and even then, the government are not being clear about how they are measuring this - a "covid death" is a death from any cause within 28 days of a positive test which is not the same as a death caused by Covid.

Feel free though to get swept along in the hysteria and panic-mongering which has been the speciality of this forum since February. The rest of us are just getting on with living.

Oh come on!

Really?

Even if you don't compare the figures with April you can compare them with a month or two ago.

And it's exponential. Whatever the figures are today they will increase hugely simply that way.

Yes @MrsHedgeLegs but thousands of patients who would normally be in hospital for treatment of other ailments at this time of year are not eligible for treatment this year..

Please can those saying ‘hospitals are always full’ or ‘shield the elderly so we can get on with our lives’ please please listen to nhs workers describing what they are dealing with and how serious this is.
There is almost no spare capacity for anything else at our hospitals. That’s no spare capacity for all of us for things other than covid.
Come on deniers - respect science and listen to people who are at the coal face working through asses off in a national emergency.

@Skipsurvey

i cannot believe people put off testing before Christmas, so they could still mix? how utterly selfish

My local test centre were turning people away on Christmas Eve because the queues were so long.