Do you think tier five will happen

[Tellmelies65]

Or just just being said as scare tactic? What else could they really stop people doing?

@CuteBear

What’s the difference between tier 4 and lockdown? This is just about control. The NHS isn’t more overwhelmed than past winters.

That may be very true where you live, but unfortunately in other areas it is not. In my area we are being told that the ambulance service is totally overwhelmed and is only responding where it is absolutely a life threatening situation. I think they said that around 80% of what they are dealing with are covid cases, but that may not be right. Nevertheless it was a significant proportion. When they get patients to hospital they are often being redirected.

I fear for people like my elderly mum, who could have a fall. For all those people who need the emergency services but just wouldn't be able to access them at present.

@notevenat20

The NHS isn’t more overwhelmed than past winters.

I am not sure that is true. Why do you say it?

Probably because in some places like my London borough it is currently true. Our hospitals is so far quieter than it has been in the last two winters. I keep checking the figures.

However as our local cases are very high I can imagine the hospital admissions will catch up eventually. Well unless this new mutation that is sweeping London is actually a lot more mild.

I choose to live in hope

I am expecting it to be school closures and similar to the first lockdown. One person to the supermarket where possible type rules- no meeting one other person for exercise. At least during lockdown one the weather was nice. (Meeting a friend for a run at the moment is keeping me going. )

I do wonder if a lot of people can't be trusted- news reports of people heading to the sales, the holiday makers off on their skin trips to Switzerland and breaking the isolation etc.

not quite sure what tier 5 would be-we are locked down now pretty much in any event. We could not be compelled to stay at home. We live rurally..there is no way all the roads etc could be blocked..it would be easy to find a way round. There are not enougn soldiers to literally lock everything down. And it won't happen. Thank goodness as who wants to live like that.

*ski trips not skin trips.

@InTheLongGrass

Tier 5 - schools shut, one exercise trip a day, and not to leave local area - defined as same first half of pistcode.

If we couldn't leave the first half of our postcode, we couldn't get out of our road - it's a cul-de-sac and the boundary is just past our house at the open end.

Would be tricky to restrict people to the first part of their postcodes as ‘local’ in rural areas. In the first half of our postcode, for example, there is nowhere that sells infant formula.

@Pastanred

Pink - they find alternatives - but to ask someone in their 80+ to do childcare is beyond selfish

Yes they go back in time and become more successful, save more, come from more privileged backgrounds, find jobs which allow them to work from home or so on... You know like the smart people who say stupid shit like this...^^

Not everyone has some fucking magic alternative that means they can keep their jobs, keep a roof over their heads and food on their tables all whilst 'finding alternatives' to care for their children.

captainsandy with pigeon feathers, presumably? As PP have said I'd like more scrutiny of the pigeons' role in all of this.

tightening up of retail...i hope

felt like a sitting duck yesterday when everyone came in for 'essential' items. if they had broken guidelines and been mixing over xmas then myself and my colleagues were more at risk than usual. tier 4 here

I genuinely believe there are people on here who would support that kind of response.

The problem is that a lot of MN who want police and the army at the end of every road, dont seem to notice that the police service has been cut to the bone in recent years and the army have finite numbers too as everyone wants them doing all the vaccines too.

As for the going out shopping once a week, not leaving your postcode, and only leaving the house for 1 hour a day. Not everyone can afford, store or carry a weeks worth of shopping in one go. We tried in lockdown part 1 to only go shopping every 7-10 days.but we gave the luxury of a car. As people are encouraged to shop alone there is no way I could have carried a weeks worth of food and groceries for 4 people plus pets. Also (probably highly illegal in MN world) I didnt go to the supermarket in my own postcode because the nearest ones are Waitrose, co-op and m and S which are all bloody expensive.
All the supermarkets near me do restrict numbers and have a traffic light system on the door.

It won't go beyond what happened in March/April. Some people get a thrill out of fantasising scenarios but they won't happen.

@JacobReesMogadishu

Our family friend were allowed a metre outside of their house for 11 weeks

But noe. They’ve got no five in their region.

Tier 5 is where they cut your broadband and 4g just to make your life as tedious as it possibly can be.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

I hope for a new national lockdown to be announced this week. I hope they don't leave it so late this time.

Jesus, some people are practically salivating at the thought of a lockdown!

I know! It’s deja vu isn’t it?

Is there really anything that is so essential you absolutely could not get by until the next delivery? I’m really struggling to think of anything that could be an essential life or death situation to go without for a week (and I’m someone who thought Maltesers should count as essential in the first lockdown!) and the only thing I can come up with is formula for babies who aren’t breastfed.

Essential isn't necessarily life of death. I wouldn't die without toothpaste for example, but my teeth and gums would suffer from a week of not being brushed. Sanitary towels and tampons are pretty essential. I'm sure some would suggest using newspaper/flannels/old cut up clothes but personally I don't think it's acceptable to expect women to "make do" like that for a whole week.

We don't have a big enough army to be getting the army out in the way some people are fantasising.

[quote Beautifulbonnie]@JacobReesMogadishu

Our family friend were allowed a metre outside of their house for 11 weeks

But noe. They’ve got no five in their region.[/quote]
Sorry, is this a joke?

@BrightYellowDaffodil

In tier 5 they will confiscate everyone's car keys and we will have to wear a full diving suit and air tanks to the supermarket.

Being in possession of car keys, or indeed any other mode of transport up to and including a bicycle, scooter or pair of roller skates, will be a hanging offence, commuted to a spell in the local stocks for the first incidence.

Anyone leaving their house, having first obtained the correct permit, must do so in silence. Eye contact is forbidden because everyone knows that’s how a virus is spread. Masks must be air tight and if you can’t afford an oxygen supply then hard cheese, sunshine, it’s for the greater good you know. Joy is banned, even in the privacy of your own home, and wantonly smiling in public now carries a fine.

How about smiling behind your mask,as long as your eyes show no warmth?

@Pastanred

acorn -i find people using elderly GPs for childcare more selfish than any rule breaker

its cross generation mixing that's the problem and bubbles allow this it has to stop. Who'd risk their elderly relatives by letting them mix with the most likely infectious!

Well we don’t all have a choice. DH and I are both teachers so work out of the home. Our toddler is CEV and his medical team do not want him to attend a childcare setting. We have no choice other than using my Mum for childcare and worrying constantly about picking up Covid at work and spreading it to either of the two vulnerable people around us.

Also I teach in an area with high deprivation. Grandparents are still doing the school run as their parents can not afford childcare. It’s really not that simple.

@Timeturnerplease

Would be tricky to restrict people to the first part of their postcodes as ‘local’ in rural areas. In the first half of our postcode, for example, there is nowhere that sells infant formula.

And in a city many people won't have a clue where the boundaries are. I know my workplace and my DP's home are in a different postcode to me but I couldn't tell you where the boundary is.

Some of the lockdown extremists on here seem to have contracted something far more dangerous and unpleasant than Covid. I wonder if there's any hope of a vaccine against it being announced in the near future.

If we couldn't leave the first half of our postcode, we couldn't get out of our road - it's a cul-de-sac and the boundary is just past our house at the open end.

Whereas I could travel a lot, my first half of post code area is over 300 sq. kilometres and covers 3 counties. It's not an effective way of limiting travel.

@JacobReesMogadishu

I think in Spain people couldn’t go out even for exercise for a while.

Nobody could go out for about 6 weeks, except to work if they were jobs that could only be done in person, to medical appointments (which were almost all by phone anyway), to buy food, go to the pharmacy. Even walking the dog you were only supposed to go 50m. Kids didn't leave the house AT ALL for all that time. It was fucking shite. brought the numbers right down though. They went back up again though. it was the strictest lockdown in Europe. UK lockdown was a piece of piss in comparison.

@BamboozledandBefuddled

Some of the lockdown extremists on here seem to have contracted something far more dangerous and unpleasant than Covid. I wonder if there's any hope of a vaccine against it being announced in the near future.

They actually seem worse now than earlier in the year. I presume they used the summer months to recharge their batteries ready for the second wave. I'm just glad no one I know in real life thinks like them!