Do you think tier five will happen

[Tellmelies65]

Or just just being said as scare tactic? What else could they really stop people doing?

Im beginning to think a lot of it is scare tactics. Just found out nightingale hospital has been dismantled. So they obviously are not expecting to need it for covid patients. People are finding out true figures of covid deaths due to freedom of information. They are very different to the ones we are being told.

Tier 5 involves

• 8pm curfew
• closure of all schools indefinitely
• No leaving the house unless going to the doctor's or supermarket
• All takeaways closed

This will be the "tough, tough choices" that Michael Gove was talking about earlier this week.

Sadly, unless people are tested, traced, and immunised, all this does is provide a nice headline for Johnson to say he's "doing something about Covid" and a scapegoat if and when rules are relaxed and the infection rate shoots through the roof again.

I'm under 50. I'll be lucky to get the vaccine before the end of the summer

Same. And that’s fine with me. I’m under 50 and low risk so would rather it goes to those who need it.
I’d actually like to see all the elderly and vulnerable across the world vaccinated before I get it. They need it more.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat Exactly, I for one havn't got a smart phone-yet. But it's probably about time I did, really...

@riceuten

Tier 5 involves

• 8pm curfew
• closure of all schools indefinitely
• No leaving the house unless going to the doctor's or supermarket
• All takeaways closed

This will be the "tough, tough choices" that Michael Gove was talking about earlier this week.

Sadly, unless people are tested, traced, and immunised, all this does is provide a nice headline for Johnson to say he's "doing something about Covid" and a scapegoat if and when rules are relaxed and the infection rate shoots through the roof again.

Where do you get this rubbish from ? A lot of people will be getting fined then , oh wait yeah the police will be out walking the streets arresting anyone out at 8.05pm . Wake up will you

@Dontknowanymore2

Im beginning to think a lot of it is scare tactics. Just found out nightingale hospital has been dismantled. So they obviously are not expecting to need it for covid patients. People are finding out true figures of covid deaths due to freedom of information. They are very different to the ones we are being told.

Nothing to do with the realisation that there are no staff to operate it.

Don’tknow

I kind of agree - think it’s in part to reduce new year mixing as most people I know are still planning parties etc

Local hospital figures show only 8% beds are occupied with covid and when 1/3 are in with other stuff but ‘have covid’ and not in hospital purely because of covid it’s actually much lower

I don't understand what a 7pm curfew will do ?
I frequently go for a run after work it's usually after 7pm , so me staying home not getting any exercise will stop me catching or passing Covid on . hmm
Sorry but a curfew is a ridiculous idea , why are people so against going outside for exercise.
Going to non essential shops ok / close schools ok but you can't keep shops open and schools but impose a curfew

Because it appeals to a certain type of voter who thinks that "something must be done" - that something obviously not being a functioning test and trace system and 2 million people being immunised a week. It usually coincides with "CLOSE ALL THE BORDERS NOW", but not usually to British citizens from abroad, who appear to be magically immune to Covid.

@MistletoeandGin

I'm under 50. I'll be lucky to get the vaccine before the end of the summer

Same. And that’s fine with me. I’m under 50 and low risk so would rather it goes to those who need it.
I’d actually like to see all the elderly and vulnerable across the world vaccinated before I get it. They need it more.

I'd like to see all those that work with the elderly and vulnerable and those that have to work without protection vaccinated first.

Wake up will you hmm

Let me take a wild guess as to what your take on Covid is...

I'm in favour of Tier 5 if it means that people who are able, ( eg: no underlying health problems and with free time, ) are obliged to 'sign-up' and get volunteering: supporting schools / NHS / police / the vaccine programme. And Tier 5 should mean: people actually have to take the pandemic ( and their current restrictions ) seriously and stay the F**k away from other humans!

I've actually instigated my own T5. It involves staying under the duvet unless being helpful.

I don’t know anyone planning New Years gatherings of any size.
I’m not sure if this has been answered as I haven’t managed to wade through the 17 previous pages but have the European countries with stricter lockdowns actually been more successful at containing COVID?

@fordk

we should go into tier 5 due to the small number of people not following the rules and we should enforce a 7pm cerfew except for people who need to go to work and if people are in the street after 7pm without a very good reason fine them £200 every time they are caught may then we can get to grip with covid-19 also make it law that every one who is outside of their home os car must wear a face mask come on britain lets all get a grip to over come this virus

Your application to join the CCP has been accepted. You'll fit in nicely.

I'm so confused by English tiers

We are in tier 4 in Scotland which is highest tier so I guess equivalent to tier 5?

Anyway schools are shut and only essential shops open. And it's for the best given the strain on NHS

@LindaEllen

I think tiers are making little difference at the moment, bar the closures of pubs/shops that can't be ignored.

On an individual level, people know what it is and isn't sensible to do. They're either ignoring that or sticking to the rules. Changing the label of their tier isn't going to change their behaviour.

Changing the label of their tier isn't going to change their behaviour.

Absolutely agree.. since the first lockdown in March, other lockdowns have been farcical; tiers the same.. where I live in London supermarkets no longer have social distancing (Aldi is always busy, no queueing) and most shops are open - where are Tier 4 restrictions being implemented? We've got the highest cases now with a rapidly spreading variant yet restrictions are at their weakest! We need to go back to March, close all unnecessary services, shops, and schools, forcing people, where at all possible, to stay home. That or we need to maximise efforts of getting vaccinated sooner and quicker.

@riceuten

Wake up will you hmm

Let me take a wild guess as to what your take on Covid is...

Err you can if you want. Fully support restrictions have not mixed households since the summer but I don't make up a load of clap trap about won't be allowed out after 7pm or 8pm and never leaving the house . You can speculate all you want and stay in all you want but others enjoy going for a walk it's the only small pleasure we've got .

Just found out nightingale hospital has been dismantled

Which one?

BBC reporting that London's is on standby

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55469188

Though how to staff then remains a conundrum.

@MistletoeandGin

I'm under 50. I'll be lucky to get the vaccine before the end of the summer

Same. And that’s fine with me. I’m under 50 and low risk so would rather it goes to those who need it.
I’d actually like to see all the elderly and vulnerable across the world vaccinated before I get it. They need it more.

My point is it isn't around the corner as was implied. Until I'm vaccinated I don't feel I can live my life the same. Thankfully I can work from home and my DH does the grocery shopping once a week in the early morning

I Personally think a national lockdown like the first one is necessary, for longer than 4 weeks, until the vaccine has been given to the clinically vunerable. The November lockdown wasn’t followed by so many people and cases in schools skyrocketed due to this. Unfortunately the selfish actions of a few are why were in the situation were in. I work In a large supermarket and over the last few weeks especially, social distancing has been impossible. Being pregnant I’m really anxious about going to work as it is, and I wish people would respect social distancing, but supermarkets don’t/can’t/won’t enforce it and have capacities that are far to high to make social distancing possible. It’s a joke and something has to change. Bring back the rules from lockdown 1 but tweak in areas that didn’t work. Boris is relying on the British public to use their common sense, but it’s clear that people cannot be trusted.

@Dontknowanymore2

Im beginning to think a lot of it is scare tactics. Just found out nightingale hospital has been dismantled. So they obviously are not expecting to need it for covid patients. People are finding out true figures of covid deaths due to freedom of information. They are very different to the ones we are being told.

The Excel Nightingale was a useless fake "hospital" that only had beds in it briefly for the cameras. It was never properly used and never ever could be. It was a con, a PR trick. It cost millions. And it makes me very angry.

@riceuten

Tier 5 involves

• 8pm curfew
• closure of all schools indefinitely
• No leaving the house unless going to the doctor's or supermarket
• All takeaways closed

This will be the "tough, tough choices" that Michael Gove was talking about earlier this week.

Sadly, unless people are tested, traced, and immunised, all this does is provide a nice headline for Johnson to say he's "doing something about Covid" and a scapegoat if and when rules are relaxed and the infection rate shoots through the roof again.

So if the pharmacy is closed how do I access insulin? How do other people access perscriptions?

How do you suggest dogs don’t have a wee or poo after 8pm? I mean, I can tell him not to, but I’m fairly certain his language skills are somewhat lacking.

Closing schools will be the next move. Personally I think they should for an extra 2 weeks to set up the mass testing and start a vaccination program for the teachers. They are front line, I'm not sure why they are being overlooked. I'm not a teacher BTW. Also after everyone mixing at Christmas whether they should have or not, is going to cause a surge in numbers, I think throwing millions of children back into the mix will only spread it further and faster. I totally get that for a lot of people there will be massive childcare issues.

@SquirmOfEels

Just found out nightingale hospital has been dismantled

Which one?

BBC reporting that London's is on standby

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55469188

Though how to staff then remains a conundrum.

It's bullshlt.

If they didn't use the Excel Nightingale in April when a thousand people were dying a day at home and in care homes then they're not going to suddenly magic up thousands of qualified staff now.

If anything The NHS is even more understaffed due to death and burnout.

Tier 5 may comprise of:

• All non-essential shops and businesses closed
• Only one member of a household being allowed in an 'essential' shop
• Outside exercise allowed as long it's from home (no travelling anywhere)

• All schools and colleges closed except for vulnerable children and the children of keyworkers

So to sum up , pretty much what we had back in March🙁

The problem stems from selfishness, ignorance and a complete disregard for others. It really is not rocket science tier 4 just stay at home within that household. We have followed the rules of tier 4 but thanks to others who don’t my whole household has tested positive for Covid. How many of you mixed with other households over the Christmas period, we didn’t! We have our shopping delivered in the main and have only ventured out for milk and bread that was before our symptoms became apparent. Since then we immediately isolated our family from each other in the house all over Christmas and it wasn’t great but a sacrifice that needed to be made. I can agree that the symptoms aren’t pleasant and I sincerely hope all you selfish, stupid people who disregarded the rules with no regard to your own or others safety will not get it. However as you obviously can’t control yourselves and continue to flout the tier 4 restrictions I fear that is a vain hope. Watch out for the even more massive spike in about 10 days time! The Nightingale Hospital is shut because so many NHS staff are sick with Covid they can’t staff it!