Do you think tier five will happen

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Or just just being said as scare tactic? What else could they really stop people doing?

There really does seem to be a lot of coming up with problems on this thread, as if that that was a reason not to act. Rather than issues which can be overcome with a bit of thought, determination and creativity

I dont think that people going out for a run or cycle, or walking their dog are the main vectors for spreading the virus. These are not problems for the sake of problems, these are ways to keep mind, body and pets healthy while posing minimal risk to anyone else.

Hahaha at the idea of indoor space in which to exercise. DH, DD & I were homeless last winter. We were offered social housing, & were glad to accept it. After we put our seating in the living room (the smallest affordable things we could find in the 2nd hand furniture shop - previous sofa had collapsed), the remaining floor space is about 4ft x 6ft. I can just about manage, I'm 5ft2. DH is 6ft 4. No way can he do anything meaningful in that space.

The amount of scaremongering and doomsday hardline predictions on here is bonkers.
I've got a mental image of some people rubbing their knees Vic and Bob style at the mere thought of harsher lockdowns or whatever!
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@JacobReesMogadishu

I think in Spain people couldn’t go out even for exercise for a while.

And how did that work out?....

@trollopolis

How do people maintain a healthy lifestyle if they view outdoor exercise as not essential!

They exercise indoors, or in their own garden - look at those who ran marathons forward and back on a balcony

And surely dogs need regular exercise outdoors too?

Nope, as anyone who has had a convalescent pet can attest. RSPCA and other animal welfare organisations have webpages on how to keep pets happy and healthy indoors, regardless how long they need to stay in. Harder for larger/working breeds but not impossible. Some countries permitted toilet walks for dogs, even in v hard lockdown, within a couple of hundred metres of your front door - out pee/poop return.

There really does seem to be a lot of coming up with problems on this thread, as if that that was a reason not to act. Rather than issues which can be overcome with a bit of thought, determination and creativity

I walk the dog before 9 in the morning. I don’t need to be creative. I rarely see anyone else.

@Quaagars

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How do people maintain a healthy lifestyle if they view outdoor exercise as not essential!

They don’t. That’s why so many people in the U.K. are obese, contributing to our high death rate from Covid.

We have no indoor space to do exercise. There's barely room to move where we live and most others round here are the same.

To lock people into bedsits, rooms, flats - even small terraces - is criminal. It's bloody crazy.

I don't give a shit about this bloody virus anymore. No one. I repeat no one is locking any of us in. They can bloody arrest us. I no longer give a tiny shiny shit.

Nope, as anyone who has had a convalescent pet can attest

There's a difference between a convalescent pet and a fit healthy one needing a walk FFS!

Most of Europe has had far tougher rules eg can't go more than 500m from your house. There's no appetite from our government for this though

Oh shit. I knew our government was shit already - but no appetite to tie us with 500m from our houses! That is truly their shittiest.

@MistletoeandGin

If bars and restaurants are shut and we’re not allowed into each other’s houses, how the fuck will a curfew help?

It’ll give all the martial law fetishists a warm tingly feeling.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

Nope, as anyone who has had a convalescent pet can attest

There's a difference between a convalescent pet and a fit healthy one needing a walk FFS!

Yes there can be differences (depending on what the cinalescence is from) but the principles are the same. And if you'd quoted what I said in its entirety rather than cherry picking, your point would have been somewhat undermined by the reference to the advice posted keeping pets healthy during isolation by RSPCA and others. For it is completely possible.

Though I do rather like this response, as I think it does prove my point that there are some posts which will definitely focus on the bleakest possible interpretation. Not how to find ways through

Oh my apologies for not quoting the whole of your post. I do tend to take a lot of what the RSPCA says with a pinch of salt though to be honest.

There's nothing bleak about thinking it's bloody cruel to be forced to keep a dog in a flat with walks though.

I feel sick at the idea of another full lockdown. Two DC with additional needs. Tiny tiny flat. I don't think I can afford the heating or food of another march style lockdown. We don't have a garden and I can't take them both out single handedly.

The uncertainty is the worst of it all.

There's nothing bleak about thinking it's bloody cruel to be forced to keep a dog in a flat with walks though

And in a lot of cases pointless. I take my dog out at 6am and 9pm. In the 4 years I’ve lived here, I can count on one hand the number of people I’ve encountered while walking my dog.
So yeah, I could look at videos about how to keep him amused at home. Or I could continue to walk him safely as I do now.

My experience of the RSPCA is that it couldn’t give a shit! Anyhow, possible lockdown or not me and the mutt will continue with our 5 times daily walks and we’ll stop and chat to people as well.

To lock people into bedsits, rooms, flats - even small terraces - is criminal. It's bloody crazy

This.
I'm in a small house myself, but at least we have a small outside space to go sit in.
Bedsits/small flats I've been in them before and can't imagine doing lockdown in them and have felt for those who have all the way through.

There's no appetite from our government for this though

Good!
Fuck meeee.
Honestly, I think this virus has made people take leave of their senses.
Just what kind of country do you want to live in?!
I say this as someone who has been sticking to the rules all the way through.

Tiers are reviewed on Wednesday, so we will hear more then.

The army will not be used as police. That goes against 190 years of British policing tradition.

As for what could be done. It's easier to target businesses and organisations than individuals.

I think the "big two" targets would be schools and non-essential workplaces.

Regarding work, currently the decision of whether someone "cannot work from home" is down to employers. A pisstaking company can demand workers come in to sit at their desk all day. The government could put a stop to that. Going further, factories that aren't in the supply chain for essential products could be closed. Tradespeople could be banned from doing routine work with only emergency repairs allowed. That kind of thing.

Shopping trips for the purpose of buying non-essential goods can be banned on paper but it's nearly impossible to enforce. Banning supermarkets from selling "non-essential" items proved deeply unpopular in Wales and severely impacts the most vulnerable.

Supermarkets could absolutely be required to properly limit customers. That's gone totally out of the window, it's crowds inside again.

"Essential" retail could be closed with significant military support. We'd be looking at the army going door-to-door delivering ration parcels. I honestly think the government might prefer to give up on controlling covid in such a scenario.

@HerrWanksock

Thank fuck I don't know people like some of the ones on here IRL. It's a virus, it's gonna virus. An airborne one at that. All of you wanking yourselves into a frenzy over how much better other countries have managed with their strict mandates? Do you bother to look at the actual data of those countries that you laud or is it only Oz and NZ that get you going? Those islands miles from fucking anywhere with a really low density population. Deaths per million for so many places now starting to look incredibly similar regardless of measures. Exception being SE Asia - where they tend generally not to be fat fuckers like us here in the west - plus possible T cell immunity from SARS.

But no, on you crack, demanding harsher and harsher measures. Presumably either securely WFH or on furlough (newsflash, if you're still on furlough you probably no longer have a job). In the meantime, selfish fucking covidiot that I am, I'll keep campaigning for schools to be open because stats like a rise in head trauma of 1493% to children during LD1 upset me just a little bit. Or 316,000 missing cancer diagnoses compared with last year. Or the small matter of £2trillion national debt. Or unemployment up by a million already. Or 140 million hungry children in the world as a result of lockdowns (selfish twats going on holiday feed those children). Or Bristol University's prediction of 560,000 lives lost long term. The list goes on, and on, and on.

But you're right, bring the army in, ankle tag us all, compliance is key.

And don't come crying to me if you end up one of those statistics listed above. If you vote/scream/demand for harsher tougher measures you deserve everything heading your way.

In the meantime I'll carry on, living my life and going out spending my money locally as much as possible in the vain hope I still have a town when this shit show is over.

But yeah, I'm the selfish one.

Well said!

@safariboot

The army will not be used as police. That goes against 190 years of British policing tradition.

As for what could be done. It's easier to target businesses and organisations than individuals.

I think the "big two" targets would be schools and non-essential workplaces.

Regarding work, currently the decision of whether someone "cannot work from home" is down to employers. A pisstaking company can demand workers come in to sit at their desk all day. The government could put a stop to that. Going further, factories that aren't in the supply chain for essential products could be closed. Tradespeople could be banned from doing routine work with only emergency repairs allowed. That kind of thing.

Shopping trips for the purpose of buying non-essential goods can be banned on paper but it's nearly impossible to enforce. Banning supermarkets from selling "non-essential" items proved deeply unpopular in Wales and severely impacts the most vulnerable.

Supermarkets could absolutely be required to properly limit customers. That's gone totally out of the window, it's crowds inside again.

"Essential" retail could be closed with significant military support. We'd be looking at the army going door-to-door delivering ration parcels. I honestly think the government might prefer to give up on controlling covid in such a scenario.

I agree with this and am actually surprised more people aren't up in arms about employers. So many people I know in offices who worked from home in lockdown are now back in, or people who could have didn't because of lazy management, and employers don't appear to give two fucks about the staff. This is one of the biggest problems in my opinion.

All these countries with harsher measures (like France, Spain)... they didn’t get rid of the virus, did they?

@AgentCooper

All these countries with harsher measures (like France, Spain)... they didn’t get rid of the virus, did they?

Nope. Still in the same boat as everyone else more of less.

@AgentCooper

All these countries with harsher measures (like France, Spain)... they didn’t get rid of the virus, did they?

Countries that crushed the virus don't usually have to have lockdowns because they did what was necessary from the beginning.

We didn't. So we do.

Nobody thinks lockdowns get rid of the virus.

But they do save lives and take pressure off our hospitals so people can still have babies and heart attacks.