Do you think tier five will happen

[Tellmelies65]

Or just just being said as scare tactic? What else could they really stop people doing?

Not true and 350 odd people died of it today

No they didn't. They died within 28 days of a positive result.

Would you change your life if the government published daily death tolls for other viruses and illnesses?

@MassiveSalad are you burying your head in the sand for the new cases today too?

@Light233

Cases are not going up because someone went to Asda for a bottle of gin or an extra walk. Literally everything is shut except schools- If cases are still going up, it's because people are done and tired of complying and once you get to that stage, enforcing anything will wreak havoc.

Everything isn't shut though is it? Someone on my mum's Facebook went to the garden centre sales with her mum, her daughter and the grandkids. 4 generations in one car and a packed out indoor garden centre.

And we had a nationwide super spreader event three days ago whose effects we will be feeling for at least the next month.

Sorry if I'm being dense, but where is tier 5 mentioned? Is it an official thing suggested or just people taking the piss?

No, it’s just the fantasies of the Covid Police and SAGE, the latter of whom won’t be happy until everyone who tests positive is locked in their house with a cross painted on the door and people leaving their houses are shot on sight.

Christ. Some folk are in a right foaming tizzy. Some of you are like Chicken Little - ‘THE SKY IS FALLING IN!!!!’ - at the very idea of another lockdown. It’s not about the government deliberately depriving everyone their personal freedoms and TOTALLY RUINING YOUR LIFE, it’s about trying to keep people alive. I am continuallly amazed by the hysterical stupidity on this site these days.

Plus, there isn’t even an actual Tier 5 (in England) anyway. So why not keep your fucking knickers on until there is?

@BrightYellowDaffodil

Sorry if I'm being dense, but where is tier 5 mentioned? Is it an official thing suggested or just people taking the piss?

No, it’s just the fantasies of the Covid Police and SAGE, the latter of whom won’t be happy until everyone who tests positive is locked in their house with a cross painted on the door and people leaving their houses are shot on sight.

I rest my case.

@Armi

Christ. Some folk are in a right foaming tizzy. Some of you are like Chicken Little - ‘THE SKY IS FALLING IN!!!!’ - at the very idea of another lockdown. It’s not about the government deliberately depriving everyone their personal freedoms and TOTALLY RUINING YOUR LIFE, it’s about trying to keep people alive. I am continuallly amazed by the hysterical stupidity on this site these days.

Plus, there isn’t even an actual Tier 5 (in England) anyway. So why not keep your fucking knickers on until there is?

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Feels like the problem is less the lockdown, which seemed to be effective in March, but more the coming out of it. Both times, things have just sprung back open- IRC it was about a month between the first things re-opening and the last remaining bits . I understand the financial reasons for this, but at the same time - that gives little scope for tracking, making changes responsively, learning new behaviour ...

I don’t really know how you’d manage it- people would inevitably be upset if their business were the last to open, or their hobby the last thing that they could go and do, their family the last on the street to have their time to meet.... but if we all just flood out as soon as we can, it’s inevitable that cases will rise no matter how strict the lockdown that preceded it.

Burying my head in the sand?! I corrected your false statement that 350 people died of covid today.

@Letseatgrandma

I’m sure primary schools will still be open in Tier 5, though...

So what's the point then?

Tier 5 would be school/uni closures, wouldn't it?

I don't see why it can't happen- unless we go for a national lockdown first.

@MassiveSalad

Not true and 350 odd people died of it today

No they didn't. They died within 28 days of a positive result.

Would you change your life if the government published daily death tolls for other viruses and illnesses?

So I worded it incorrectly. You knew what I meant. You also asked if I would change my life... My turn to correct you, I didnt say I would change my life, just that if I was asked to do something or not do something for a while to protect others then I would. For me, its all about protecting others. Doesn’t change my life at all, alters it slightly, temporarily perhaps.

@PrincessNutNuts

If anything, that's what I mean- There ARE rules in place already and these people should not be mixing households. If these people will mix in a garden centre, they will mix in private households. I see what you mean, but I think my main line of thinking is that once you lose genuine compliance from a meaningful number of the population, it doesn't matter what you close- People will mix.

I'm not anti-lockdown, but I am also constantly despairing of the government doing the same thing again and again and it not working. Yet, what else can they do?

We are ten months in, compliance is slipping and lockdowns offer a temporary reprieve- but less people comply each time.

I truly believe that at this point vaccinations are the only 'way out.'

@SansaSnark

Uni's are barely open. DN has has no in person teaching the whole academic year. It's just schools open, really.

@BrightYellowDaffodil

Sorry if I'm being dense, but where is tier 5 mentioned? Is it an official thing suggested or just people taking the piss?

No, it’s just the fantasies of the Covid Police and SAGE, the latter of whom won’t be happy until everyone who tests positive is locked in their house with a cross painted on the door and people leaving their houses are shot on sight.

Saving British lives while we vaccinate is such an unassailably reasonable position that people have to make up hysterical flights of fancy in order to disagree with it.

[quote Light233]@PrincessNutNuts

If anything, that's what I mean- There ARE rules in place already and these people should not be mixing households. If these people will mix in a garden centre, they will mix in private households. I see what you mean, but I think my main line of thinking is that once you lose genuine compliance from a meaningful number of the population, it doesn't matter what you close- People will mix.

I'm not anti-lockdown, but I am also constantly despairing of the government doing the same thing again and again and it not working. Yet, what else can they do?

We are ten months in, compliance is slipping and lockdowns offer a temporary reprieve- but less people comply each time.

I truly believe that at this point vaccinations are the only 'way out.'[/quote]
We probably basically agree.

@SansaSnark

Tier 5 would be school/uni closures, wouldn't it?

I don't see why it can't happen- unless we go for a national lockdown first.

There will be tougher restrictions very soon.

It's just a matter of what they decide to call them really.

It isn't a case of wording it incorrectly. As I'm sure you know, they are two very different things. Dieing with covid is not the same as dieing of covid. If your intention is to spread fear through misinformation then it's pointless getting snippy when you're called out on it.

[quote Light233]@PrincessNutNuts

If anything, that's what I mean- There ARE rules in place already and these people should not be mixing households. If these people will mix in a garden centre, they will mix in private households. I see what you mean, but I think my main line of thinking is that once you lose genuine compliance from a meaningful number of the population, it doesn't matter what you close- People will mix.

I'm not anti-lockdown, but I am also constantly despairing of the government doing the same thing again and again and it not working. Yet, what else can they do?

We are ten months in, compliance is slipping and lockdowns offer a temporary reprieve- but less people comply each time.

I truly believe that at this point vaccinations are the only 'way out.'[/quote]
I agree vaccination is the only solution now.

Lockdowns don't work as the cases just go back up again and more importantly and understandably compliance is reducing.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum 😂😂

Tier 5 should have a curfew hopefully. Schools closed.

@ValpolicellaPrimitivo

Lockdowns work to suppress the virus for as long as we are in lockdown. When lockdown ends so does the effect of lockdown.

If we wanted to do something to eradicate the virus we'd have a proper test and trace system rather than this shadow puppetry illusion of one.

A lot of what is being described as appalling and unendurable is pretty much what the shielded were asked to do betwen March and June (when daily exercise was added to the OK list)

Yes, frivol away, but do pause to think why further restriction could be needed. Also why the vaccine is going to those with the greatest vulnerability (and greatest isolation) first

@Frdexu

This is great news if true- particularly the rumours around an 8pm curfew and banning outdoor exercise. Finally the government listening to the science rather than the far-right prioritisation of the economy over saving lives.

Frankly the whole country should be in tier 5 with no one slower to leave home at all unless a key worker. But it's a start.

Where do you get this from? No politician is going to put a curfew place. Banning going outside is madness. There is more to health than not having Covid.