Do you think tier five will happen

[Tellmelies65]

Or just just being said as scare tactic? What else could they really stop people doing?

@1992serpent

Pigeons and primary age children only allowed out of the house. No eye contact allowed with the pigeons

Before you know it pigeons catch covid and all Londoners are fucked.

You not seen the news we are pretty fucked already

@Pootle40

If no one is out it's pretty easy to spot those who are - and if you're out you know you may be stopped and asked your business. There's a lot less crime and traffic so the police are more Johnny on the spot than usual.

My friend's mum has the sort of dementia that makes her wander off and she said the police brought her mum home before she'd even realised she was gone - twice!

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

You make sure that doesn't happen or go without.

Stupid idea, it should be one form per person per week minimum, emergencies happen.

They're not going to implement it here. It's just one example of how other countries have had much tougher lockdowns than we have had.

@Subordinateclause

We're all working from home here so some days I wouldn't see a soul go by during working hours.

@trappedsincesundaymorn

Those saying the police should enforce any tier 5 restrictions, I have just one question....how?? Given that the nearest medium sized market town has the grand total of 10 officers for a 110 square mile radius, I very much doubt we'll see them in the villages anytime soon, let alone on the corner of every street. Honestly some people on here are so ridiculous it's embarrassing.

Agree. I have a close family member who is a police sergeant.

He thinks it's hilarious that people actually believe they have the man power to enforce any of these restrictions properly. The amount of phone calls they receiving during lockdown1 from people telling them their neighbours were having someone round for a brew and so on... What do people actually expect.

We don't even have a police station in the small town where I live. The nearest one is 3 towns over.

I think things do need to be tightened . At the moment WH Smith & Holland & Barratt are classed as essential retail?!! Meaning our local shopping centre is still open??

I live on the seafront and after going for a walk yesterday afternoon we were shocked at the no of people congregating on the beach. Mainly because there were cafe's open serving takeaway beer/tea/coffee & ice cream....Hardly essential!! I know these business are struggling to survive but the issue was it was causing mass overcrowding, we left & took our walk inland as was just too busy .

I don’t understand why the need for a curfew. I am in England tier 4 and take exercise at 9pm at night when the streets are mostly deserted. On this basis a curfew would crowd more people into daylight hours.

@JinglingHellsBells, the difference is that the information held about me isn’t being used to legally limit what I can do and punish me if I transgress.

@Ridcully82 How about smiling behind your mask,as long as your eyes show no warmth?

The army will have been specially trained to spot hidden smiles. There will be snipers on roofs for just this purpose.

WH Smith is essential because it sells print newspapers, and print newspapers basically run our country.

@BrightYellowDaffodil ah, yes, the 'scientists' and trade unions are the problem. I think I might have heard this before? Which freedom loving, democratic countries are known for this...? Oh wait, I meant totalitarian countries. So hard to tell the difference these days.

How ironic that ' libertarians' in the west also believe that freedom means silencing scientists and organised labour.

boots is open too,

Tier 5 = max of 5 rule
No more than 5 people in any household at any one time, for households bigger than this must take turns to sleep in the garden to not exceed the max 5 in a household limit.
5 minutes excerise allowed every 5 days.
Max 5 items to be bought from the supermarket

Gas/electric/wifi to be limited to 5 hours a day
5 armed guards at the end of each street to shoot anyone not complying
5 face masks to be worn at once to reduce transmission

‘ Loss of driving licence? How about an ankle tag? Maybe we could bring back the stocks on the village green while we're at it? ‘

Our village kept the stocks, made them a tourist attraction - a wee whackle to get them fully functional again, job’s a good ‘un. < wonders if the gulls and jackdaws are also agents of the government ? In which case the bastards have been trawling my bins like a cheap rate journo for years >

The thing is, the March lockdown did basically work - by the summer the infection rate of Covid was really low in the UK. Its not that our lockdown wasn't severe enough (sorry to disappoint!) it's about making sure those numbers don't go back up again. And you do this by regular testing, testing people who come into the country, temperature checks everywhere, decent and fast test and trace.

Spain is a good example of this - very severe lockdown, with kids not even being allowed to leave their own homes, but as soon as it was over the numbers went back up.

The reason that other countries have done so well isn't really because of the severity of their lockdowns (China probably being the exception here, although it seems there would be some on here who would be first in the queue for volunteering with the welding machine!) but because of the other measures in place.

It would be inhumane. Staying home will be fine for some but those living in overcrowded homes, who have volatile relationships and people who need to be outside for the sake of their mental health will really suffer.
Not everyone has a garden, enough rooms to retreat to when they need to be alone and families that treat each other with respect.
It makes me so angry to read how simple it would be if everyone would just follow the rules and stay at home.
If this had Happened during my childhood I don’t think I would be here today.

@notevenat20

I hope everyone here realises their phones are currently tracked them everywhere they go. They are probably also continuously listening to you in case you say Siri or OK Google. It's how we all live.

No it isn't how we 'all' live. Some of us are able to our phones indoors.

@KeepOnKeepingOnAgainandAgain I have nothing against scientists, I work in academia. What I have an issue with is their opinions being printed in the papers without any context or consideration of anything else.

And, FWIW, I am pro-union but I don’t agree with the relentlessly negative stance they so often take. UCU have been the worst recently.

The point you appear to have missed is that relentlessly negative shouting does no-one any favours, not least because it tends to be very blinkered.

Cases are not going up because someone went to Asda for a bottle of gin or an extra walk. Literally everything is shut except schools- If cases are still going up, it's because people are done and tired of complying and once you get to that stage, enforcing anything will wreak havoc.

@Skipsurvey

boots is open too,

Of course boots is open! Are soap, tampons, sanitary towels, nappies, baby formula, skin cream (for eczema, nappy rash etc), plasters, painkillers, antiseptic, and pharmacies not necessary anymore? I know you can get these things in a supermarket but if you go down that route, you may as well argue to close all Asdas, because you can get everything at Tesco.

People are so myopic, only thinking of how to organise things according to how their own lives work.

Some of these ideas...

"Curfew 6pm-8am": so nobody allowed to work night shifts. DS would lose both his jobs (7am-8:30 & 5-7pm). DD who worked in a care home with 7am start - no more. Farmers -- oh well, livestock can wait, right? Electricity station generation ditto just has to wait for an 8am start. Who needs Lekki?

Didn't Czech & Slovakia have a 'no step outside without a mask on' rule in April? See how well they did afterwards.

DS is in the Army. He's quite a fan of Authoritarianism. Fully supported Brexit & loves the death penalty. I don't want armed people like him patrolling the streets.

No one is talking about silencing scientist fgs. But I keep reading in the media about SAGE “demanding” x y and s. SAGE have no authority to “demand” anything. They are not elected. There are also other scientists who disagree with SAGE.

@InTheLongGrass

Tier 5 - schools shut, one exercise trip a day, and not to leave local area - defined as same first half of pistcode.

This is basically what the whole of Scotland has had to do since Boxing Day. Meant to be for 3 weeks but will be extended

Sorry if I'm being dense, but where is tier 5 mentioned? Is it an official thing suggested or just people taking the piss?
I'm fed up with other the non compliance, I know people who have had it, lost loved ones and lockdown seems the only way now to keep this under control until we can get more people vaccinated.
I'm also fed up with reading about how it affects the elderly and vulnerable more. Not true and 350 odd people died of it today, however old or vulnerable they were, it shouldn't happen. If we can pay any part of protecting them by staying home for a bit longer than I'm all for it.
(I'll now wait to be told different)

I live on the seafront and after going for a walk yesterday afternoon we were shocked at the no of people congregating on the beach

I love these types of comments. So YOU were out and that's ok, but the other people who were out are naughty rule breakers? What happened after people crowded the beaches in summer? Oh that's right, nothing.

@Barbie222

Pigeons and primary age children only allowed out of the house. No eye contact allowed with the pigeons.

hahahah, those pesky pigeons!