If freight isn't allowed in from France

[justgeton]

What does this mean for our food chain?!

I get why air travel and the normal transit of people has been stopped. I totally get and understand why many countries have done that. I would have liked to think we would have done the same. But I don’t get why freight?
Belgium and Italy have confirmed cases of this strain, so it France banning freight from them too???
No, they are not. So it’s very political what he is doing regarding the freight.
And for any pro remain who say ‘we told you brexit people this is what would happen’ ... well if you knew such awful tactics would be used by a country in the EU, why would you want to remain part of that club?
You can’t remain part of a club / group that threaten to destroy you if you if you wish to leave!!

Because the freight is mostly brought in on lorries with drivers.

What tactics are you talking about? EU countries wanting their own Sovereignty? It was a big deal for Brexiters, I seem to recall. It works for other countries too.

Just a question. Does anyone remember life before we were in the EU? Could we get food? Could we travel at all? Just wondering what it will be like.

Travel around EU countries was more expensive pre EU as it was EU competition rules which stopped local airline monopolies.

@thenovice

Just a question. Does anyone remember life before we were in the EU? Could we get food? Could we travel at all? Just wondering what it will be like.

Yup. Macaroni was an exotic foot only available in large cities. Olive oil was from the chemist to deal with ear wax

food was - proportionally - around 4 times more expensive than at present.

Jeans in the early 70's cost £20 a pair
at a time when houses cost less than £50,000

food was dull
shops shut a lot more
pubs shut a lot more
holidays abroad were only for private school kids

it is NOT something to want to go back to

Going to France you didn't have to have a proper passport iirc just a cheaper visitor passport.

We've always had citrus from Spain that I (and my mother except for wartime rationing!😄) can remember.

Basically trade will find a way but more bureaucracy will be introduced and there will be transitional problems, I expect.

Going to France you didn't have to have a proper passport iirc just a cheaper visitor passport.
But back then you could smoke on planes
fly into the USA with garden shears in your bag
and carry bottles of booze past duty free

times have changed

I worked in France before the EU though when we were in the common market.
I had to be registered at the local town hall with the help of the company employing me.

Tbh I remember relatives having a very hard time getting a visa to visit family in the USA. Ease of travel changes over time. In both directions.

Well yes I m not saying it's useful to compare. But someone asked!

The British Visitor’s Passport was very handy. However when my proper passport was nicked at a Spain/France border crossing I travelled through France using my NHS card as ID - that was in my hitchhiking days (early 1970s) when the gendarmes regularly asked to see your passport if you were doing so. They seemed perfectly happy with the NHS card.

And for any pro remain who say ‘we told you brexit people this is what would happen’ ... well if you knew such awful tactics would be used by a country in the EU, why would you want to remain part of that club

Because being part of a club stops other club members doing that too you?

@thenovice

Just a question. Does anyone remember life before we were in the EU? Could we get food? Could we travel at all? Just wondering what it will be like.

I was reading about entry to the EU (or maybe common market) food security was really significant, we were dependent on imports from the commonwealth and food was really much more expensive. In the winter of discontent people were worried about food shortages, Thatcher showed journalists her cupboards to prove she wasn't stockpiling.

And for any pro remain who say ‘we told you brexit people this is what would happen’ ... well if you knew such awful tactics would be used by a country in the EU, why would you want to remain part of that club?
You can’t remain part of a club / group that threaten to destroy you if you if you wish to leave!!

But they are not destroying us. They are simply saying we can't play by the rules of the club any more.

There’s a bit of a difference between pre-EU and what will happen at the end of the year isn’t there? Not least because people knew what red tape to expect and what paperwork was needed and there was the appropriate capacity to deal with it.

That’s quite different to being told to get ready for ‘something’ that’s going to happen in just under 2 weeks but we’re not sure what.

@bornatXmastobequiet

The British Visitor’s Passport was very handy. However when my proper passport was nicked at a Spain/France border crossing I travelled through France using my NHS card as ID - that was in my hitchhiking days (early 1970s) when the gendarmes regularly asked to see your passport if you were doing so. They seemed perfectly happy with the NHS card.

Good luck trying that in 2020.

Travelling through a country you are already in after you've lost your passport is not quite the same as entering one with a passport that confers fewer rights than members of a bloc with FOM possess, especially when police and border guards have orders to watch out for migrants.

Suggesting that what happened 50 years ago in a pre-EEC context is relevant to post-Brexit travel, trade, etc, is a bit like suggesting that you could just try opting out of air traffic control because that used to work fine in the old days.

@thenovice

Just a question. Does anyone remember life before we were in the EU? Could we get food? Could we travel at all? Just wondering what it will be like.

Yes. Workers rights were limited. We had low limits on what could be brought back on the ferry from France. Then we paid duty. Far less choices of foods. Fewer healthcare options and treatments. People died younger.

We scrimped and foraged. Dripping on toast was a treat. We ate winkles with a pin.
The poor knew their place and didn’t expect holidays abroad.
Parents worried about the Cold War and if you were Irish, the troubles.
It was fine to put up signs saying no Paddy’s or no Blacks.
Children missed school to go hop picking from East end.
Maternity pay and equality legislation was a long way off. Abortion was very hard to come by and women died from botched back street jobs.
Poufters found themselves outlawed and alienated from mainstream society. I use the term poufter ironically.
Black and white minstrels were considered good entertainment.
We all stood for the Queen at the cinema.
Television had three channels and shut down around 11pm.

Oh the good old days.

[quote Empressofthemundane]@VulvaPerson
It’s understandable to be sad about Xmas dinner. I hope you can get the key ingredients in the next few days. 🤞[/quote]
Managed now

However, from one extreme to another, the turkey we found is probably large enough to feed 30 people, but it was the only size so..will have weeks of turkey stuff now

@DontStopThinkingAboutTomorrow

*And for any pro remain who say ‘we told you brexit people this is what would happen’ ... well if you knew such awful tactics would be used by a country in the EU, why would you want to remain part of that club? You can’t remain part of a club / group that threaten to destroy you if you if you wish to leave!!*

But they are not destroying us. They are simply saying we can't play by the rules of the club any more.

The only awful tactic is down to Boris Johnson and his cronies. Most want the huge advantages that EU membership brings. Most realise sovereignty is an empty vessel. They aren’t threatening to destroy anyone. They just don’t want to play with a prat like Johnson who lies and wheedles his way through using corruption.

@bornatXmastobequiet

The British Visitor’s Passport was very handy. However when my proper passport was nicked at a Spain/France border crossing I travelled through France using my NHS card as ID - that was in my hitchhiking days (early 1970s) when the gendarmes regularly asked to see your passport if you were doing so. They seemed perfectly happy with the NHS card.

It was but nowhere near as useful as a full EU passport.

Before EU.

Yes you could travel abroad. I taught in Germany for a while. You could bring back duty free, a bottle of spirits, 200 cigarettes , wine I forget how much & gifts to a certain value.
We managed perfectly well for food, a lot more locally produced. No shipping of live animals abroad for slaughter! A lot more lamb.
And fish....a LOT more fish. On my way home from work,( a school where even the infants were in school till 4pm & my smallest class was 42 but they could all read & write fluently before moving up to juniors school.) I needed to walk through the local little market town on my way to the bus to my village . I passed a row of five fishmongers. Used to regularly buy cod, haddock, hake, halibut, whole plaice not measly fillets, herring, mackerel & all kinds of shellfish, crabs, prawns, cockles etc. Fish was a regular cheap meal.
Granted, we didn’t really have strawberries at Christmas, but at least in summer local grown ones tasted wonderful not wet cotton wool tasteless ones. Food was more seasonal but plentiful, fresh cherries, black currants, gooseberries, when did you last see those cheap in the shops?

Pre-EU membership I understand the UK had many supply & logistic chains worked out at the time -- plus a lot of trade arrangements. Brexit doesn't mean going back to 1970. It means going back to 1270, except with a lot of paperwork to do.

Suggesting that what happened 50 years ago in a pre-EEC context is relevant to post-Brexit travel, trade, etc, is a bit like suggesting that you could just try opting out of air traffic control because that used to work fine in the old days.

@AuldAlliance I was just reminiscing, not suggesting anything. Calm down, FFS.

It was but nowhere near as useful as a full EU passport.

Did I say it was as useful as a full EU passport? No, I said it was handy. Dear me. People seem very ready to get on their high horses tonight.

@bornatXmastobequiet

Calm down, FFS.

FWIW
before the UK joined the EU
there were no home computers
there were no mobile phones
most houses did not have central heating
AND
the rest of the world was in a rather different place

so how about we look forwards not back

look for what you want to make better from the current position
not hard at the moment