Tier 4 - can I form a support bubble and go stay with my parents?

[yellowtail1]

I live in London with my DH and our 10 week old baby. Can we go and stay with my parents (who live in a tier 2 area) over Christmas by forming a support bubble and if so, how long could we stay with them for? Sorry if this is a stupid question - my head is all over the place and I’m just so confused. Can anyone help?

As many have said, no, you can’t, however, the government does produce a document that details all of the rules for all tiers, I’m not sure why people still have to come here to ask the public when the actual rules are written down for all to see.

As many have said yes she can. There are links to rules within the thread that show she can written for all to see.

Me and my dp have been in a support bubble since the start in March

He’s in tier 4 I’m not. He’s with me at the mo but will go back to tier 4 to see his kids Xmas day .

@Kellymumto2 Yes she can! Why would you be so snide about the rules when you haven’t bloody read them! At the time the OP posted the rules weren’t clear. Now they say this:

“Travelling out of a Tier 4 area
You must stay at home and not leave your Tier 4 area, other than for legally permitted reasons such as:

• travel to work where you cannot work from home

travel to education and for caring responsibilities

• visit (including staying overnight with) those in your support bubble - or your childcare bubble for childcare
• attend hospital, GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your health

I have read them. I work to them. She isn’t forming a support bubble or a childcare bubble!

She is forming a support bubble.

She has a child under 1. If she is not already in a support bubble she can form a support bubble with anyone who is not already in a support bubble.

@MyMorningHairHasItsOwnVlog

Also haven’t caught covid or know anyone who has !

If you mean my bubble is social, well yes of course, it’s to prevent loneliness and isolation for single adults. I did it alone for 3 months and can’t do that again.

I don’t really know why people go on here asking what they can do or should do when it’s obvious they’re gonna do whatever they want regardless?
It was made pretty clear that people in tier 4 should stay home. At the moment, it’s just London and the SE affected by the new strain but in a week or so it will be all over the country because people are determined to find a reason/excuse why they should be allowed to travel.

I really don't know why people come on here posting made up rubbish when there are gov.uk pages itemising both the areas and the exemptions.

Support bubbles are explicitely exempted (look up the difference between being in a "linked household" and a Christmas bubble), as are travel for caring, work and education. There are about 35 main exemptions from the travel rules.

The new variant is already all over the country and has been for at least a couple of months. Trying to restrict the spread in general makes sense but should have been put in place at least a month ago when it was already spreading around the country, alloing people ot adjust and replan and avoid expenses.

But keep going, sooner or later you should hit an actual fact. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

This thread is utter madness!

I can't believe even today people are coming on with such badly misinformed posts.

I'm going to request this gets deleted due to the sheer number of inaccurate posts which would confuse anyone.

The rules on the govt website could not be clearer on this. Go have a read.

OP hope you are with your family. My DS is 11 months and I also suffered in labour but it does get better.

Whilst you may be permitted, think about if you should?
If everyone in a tier 4 area decides to visit family in a tier 2 area, how long is it until there are more tier 4 areas, putting pressure on every medical provision around the country? I’m afraid my opinion on this differs to yours.

Not everyone in Tier 4 will be in a support bubble with someone in a lower tier, indeed not everyone is in a support bubble anyway, there are limited households who can be in one, so it's misleading to suggest it's a free for all or to guilt trip the OP for seeking some much needed support after the recent birth of her baby.

@Menopausalcraziness

Whilst you may be permitted, think about if you should? If everyone in a tier 4 area decides to visit family in a tier 2 area, how long is it until there are more tier 4 areas, putting pressure on every medical provision around the country? I’m afraid my opinion on this differs to yours.

Let me see ⚖ PND, living in isolation baby under 1 year, traumatic birth, during Covid times. Plus Covid. versus travelling from tier 4 from an isolated existence and having much needed respite and support.

Christmas or not I'd get support. Exactly how low must the bar be before a person's situation comes above covid?

And dont give me 'what ifs', we are in a what's now situation.

No.

Firstly you are in tier 4 no one can leave.
Second - you have another adult with you and you parents are 2 adults so no to a support bubble. Support bubbles are for lone parents and lone adults only.

@bemusedmoose you're wrong on every count.

Please read the fucking rules before commenting! It's not difficult, nor complicated.

That’s incorrect. Her bubble is based on having a child under 1 not whether she is in a single household or not.

If her support bubble is outside tier 4 she is exempted to travel there.

@bemusedmoose

No.

Firstly you are in tier 4 no one can leave.
Second - you have another adult with you and you parents are 2 adults so no to a support bubble. Support bubbles are for lone parents and lone adults only.

Literally everything you wrote is wrong.

We've had a few reports about posts on this thread and can see that many people are not clear about the guidelines regarding support bubbles over the Christmas period, so we thought we'd add a link to the latest Gov.UK guidance on Making a Christmas bubble with friends and family. (updated 19 December)

It states:

Areas in Tier 4

If you live in a Tier 4 area, you must follow the rules in your tier over the Christmas period. This means that you cannot meet other people indoors, unless you ordinarily live with them, or they are part of your existing support bubble. Outdoors, you can only meet one person from another household.

Areas not in Tier 4

If you do not live in a Tier 4 area, you may see a maximum of two other households (your ‘Christmas bubble’) on Christmas Day (25 December). You cannot see anyone from a Tier 4 area.

You should think very carefully about the risks and only form a Christmas bubble if you feel you absolutely need to. Wherever possible, discuss alternatives to meeting up in person.

Please click on the link above for the full guidelines. There's additional information about Support Bubbles here.

Many thanks.

It doesnt affect me but I am asking for clarification. If you share custody and different tiers can your child still travel to and from their two parents. If one or both parents live in tier 4.

Single person / parent with kids under 18 can form a support bubble with another household that transcends all tiers

And yes children can continue access arrangements across all tiers inc 4

@Emmie12345

Single person / parent with kids under 18 can form a support bubble with another household that transcends all tiers

Also families with baby under 1 as of December 2nd this year

VivienneMary yes shared custody is not affected.

As well as the gov.uk site Adam Wagner (human rights lawyer) has been tweeting updates and info on the details since the first lockdown.

twitter.com/AdamWagner1

Thanks for explaining.