I'm fucking done

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I'm done. We've been isolating ready to see my parents and now we can't.

This is the third time now we've had to cancel plans last min and I'm sick of it! Totally sick of it!

@realitynotessemtialism it says in guidelines for purpose of childrcare have a look , maybe I am reading it wrong but I don't think so
Its so adults are not mixing too much
Otherwise they can spend xmas with each other all week , how would that be fair

@whichminoguesystem you are not in europe where its been rife and was in most countries in high numbers before people even began to realise
Also aren't sydney just having a resurge ?
Its also your summer
You closed borders / had strict quarantine something uk hasn't fully done

Those who are planning to ignore the new changes for Christmas and tier 4 changes, please make sure you read this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4110225-New-strain-stuff?pg=7

@realitynotessemtialism read the childcare bubble guidelines part where says use for childcare only.
bubbles are all confusing
Personally I think maybe we should of all been allowed to bubble with another one household months ago at least then we would of been able to have some other company other than just our own family
I love my dh and kids , but 24/7 for weeks is tough
Luckily my area was tier 1 until the last lockdown ( which we came out after at tier 2 - so much for lockdowns) so i have been able to visit under rules until then , but many have been in equivalent of tier 3 for months
Also all the scenes of people leaving london yesterday surely it will spread , plus I know loads that went shopping to london whilst ot was tier 2 , big mistake london / se not being tier 3 weeks back
Plus so many commute to london for work , I will be surprised if this new strain isn't around already

People just don't seem to have the intelligence to see that the reason that the coffins aren't piling up is because of the restrictions we've had to endure. Yes the numbers are competitively low compared to predictions but that is BECAUSE of the lockdown so far.

Why don't many people have the imagination to see where we would be now if the virus had been allowed to run rampant. It wouldn't just be the "dispensable old and clinically vulnerable" that dappledolivegrove and co seem to be happy to get rid of.

The economy would be fucked anyway, because no one would dare to go out because the numbers would be far higher than they are now and we'd be seeing far more long covid and younger person deaths purely because of the high volume.

I am completely with you OP. I feel totally done with the situation and just want to sit down and have a good cry.

We have isolated for a week and a half, not gone out except for walks and the children have missed out on sports, play dates and fun. Only because we wanted to safely be able to see the grandparents who live in a house with a garden about 2 hours away. We were planning to stay the entire allowed time.

That is now cancelled and I am dreading telling the children and try to see what kind of a Christmas I can make for the five of us in a tiny flat. We have no food as we ordered a huge online shop to the grandparents.

I honestly just want to crawl under the covers and cry. But I will have to put a happy face on and come up with a “fun” plan to spend weeks in a flat where the children share a room. And pull three unwilling children out on daily walks.

And the mental health card is not a excuse to do as you please . Am sick of it being rolled out, it’s an insult to those with genuine mental health problems . Feeling sad , disappointed, even sitting in tears because you can’t see love ones is not a mental health issue , unfortunately it’s just a part of life.

Oh but that's where you're very wrong.

Mental health is a broad term referring to a person's overall state of psychological, emotional and social wellbeing. You are confusing mental health conditions / diagnoses, with general mental health and wellbeing. Feeling sad and lonely and sitting in tears absolutely is a reflection that a person's mental health is suffering. And it shouldn't be dismissed in the way you are doing so in your post. There is no "mental health card" - every person's emotional functioning and wellbeing is their own and it is perfectly valid.

Yes the numbers are competitively low compared to predictions but that is BECAUSE of the lockdown so far

We aren’t out of it yet. If we look at the numbers I really think the last lockdown was the cause of this spike. We were going down in numbers before the lockdown. Everyone was SD and wearing masks and going about their business. Then when the shops shut for 4 weeks it meant that everyone then was funnelled into only a few weeks to get their Christmas shopping. 2nd December and no idea about other areas but the pavements and shops were packed.
Now our figures have had a massive leap upwards

Why don't many people have the imagination to see where we would be now if the virus had been allowed to run rampant

I think the figures would have been less if we had never locked down.
They would have been high initially but then would have gone right down. We would have had a rise over winter and then as we go into summer it would have tailed off again.
If anything exactly what has happened but without the inconvenience of the lockdowns and probably with less deaths.
If we look at Italy, Spain etc who both had really harsh lockdowns the figures now are abysmal.

In other words, you can have poor mental health without necessarily meeting the diagnostic criteria for severe depression; or you can feel anxious and on edge, without meeting the criteria for a diagnosis of severe anxiety. You may not be seeing a therapist and have a diagnosis on paper. But your mental health can still be at rock bottom. And that's a person's own judgement to make - no one else's.

@LouJ85 well said , too many judgemental people on here

I realise I'm a pessimist but maybe we'd be in a better position if we ignored Johnson.

It was never a good idea to mix indoors at Xmas. I never had any plans and knew I'd be stuck with my bloody children all Xmas.

@Oliversmumsarmy yes i think same people rushed out to get stuff and everwhere was busy
We went to local beaches , parks etc to walk dog in lockdown and all these places were crowded as no where else to go , way busier than normal
Also a lot meeting up in large groups outside
My area was tier 1 low cases in lockdown came out of if in tier 2 with rising cases , but of course with schools open how you can you limit your contacts as much as if you have a child in school , you are always at risk from them bringing it home

Unemployment figures in 2021 when be interesting. Much of non-essential retail and hospitality will never re-open.

No one's comparing Australia's land mass to the uk I asked why you think lockdowns don't work when it's proven they do elsewhere. Some one else has come along and answered the question

You closed borders / had strict quarantine something uk hasn't fully done

Our cities are busy and crowded just like other cities. When we've locked down, we've locked down.

If only you were an island...

When PPs say that they walk around and not wear masks etc - these are the people who we say are causing us to go into more lockdowns.
My social media is full of people (who before this I thought were intelligent) who have constant parties and they think it’s ok for them but then they go to their jobs (some of which are NHS and teachers not just WFH) and spread things even more.
But for some reason they are special and usually say it’s better for their mental health to have these large gatherings with alcohol.

I have just been to the hospital to bring my elderly grandparent some slippers. I can’t go inside but I wouldn’t want to personally as I work in a school with no social distancing but the nurse was upset because someone had just been really rude to her because they wanted to go in and visit a family member but they weren’t allowed.
She said she wished things could go back to normal - but she’s not saying let’s get rid of the restrictions and ignore the virus existence - she’s saying she wishes the pandemic would end so restrictions can end.

If we could take a vote and say mix with people over Xmas and then have a strict 2 week lockdown afterwards then I would definitely vote for that.
But we don’t have that choice so we have to remember it’s only one day and next year we can celebrate like normal.
And no one should be alone as single parent households can form a bubble with another household still.

@whichminoguesister we are an island but also part of europe and an international travel hub
We had virus here in large numbers from feb half term travelling , not sure too many australians went skiing in italy
You were dealing with much lower numbers from the onset
Also haven'y sydney just seen a rise in cases , so never speak too soon as this virus is in charge at the moment , not us

@MercyBooth

And i think more and more of the public are now waking up to the fact that whatever they do it will never be enough.

100%

We have no food as we ordered a huge online shop to the grandparents.

This is what I am annoyed about.

Many people in tier 4 are now going to have to buy food which they haven’t budgeted for and the shops are going to be rammed because of the late notice and the delivery slots would have been booked weeks ago. Many people are working right up until Xmas day so there’s no time anyway.

I know they’re first world problems but these smaller issues are what the government don’t think about and these often cause more stress.

@toocold54 i think
A couple days mixing maybe 2 households then a real proper 2 week lockdown after xmas would of been better
People would of had a little respite and could really follow 2 weeks hard lockdown and schools are closed as well so that helps
Of all the people I know who were visiting family they had taken precautions of isolating , being extra vigient , took kids out school etc , those that were going on mass with no precautions will likely go ahead anyway
I have someone on sm works in care , always has photos up on facebook of people round and I can't see them taking notice of plans
Yet others I know who work in care had decided not to visit family just yet as too big a risk
Feel this is punishing the more compliant of us

@whichminoguesister I know we are an island but we have never fully shut borders
Even now with half our country stuck at home we still have our borders open and lax quarantine and that os what annoys me the most
People will still jet in and out on holiday or for supposed business
I was behind the goverment for a while but nit anymore
Also really waiting to see what they do about schools , if its not for safe for 6 of us to meet up at xmas foe a couple days , how is it going to be safe to send my teenager to sit in a room with 30 others , and then swap classrooms and potentially sit with another 30

Also now going to have to brave supermarkets on xmas even when dh gets paid as we don't have enough food in to last the days
Dreading it as I have avoided them as they are horrendous and I don't feel safe at all
Have a few bits in freezer and some tins but not enough and not much fresh as we wasn't gping to be here there didn't seem much point buying fresh food

@timeforanewstart I completely agree.

That’s the main reason I wanted them to allow us to mix because people are going to anyway which will probably force us into a stricter lockdown and then those who have followed the rules and not mixed will end up being ‘punished’ and not be able to see their family members for twice as long whilst those that break the rules will carry on as normal.

I wonder if the government will do a u-turn and say we can mix over Xmas if we close schools for a couple of weeks because they are already doing remote learning for the first week so maybe this is their plan.

@toocold54

I wonder if the government will do a u-turn and say we can mix over Xmas if we close schools for a couple of weeks because they are already doing remote learning for the first week so maybe this is their plan.

No way. There’s absolutely no sign of that happening. I haven’t seen anyone even hint at that.

What makes you think that’s a possibility?

@toocold54 don't think they can so another u turn not even then
I think because they have had to be so harsh on london they have had to then filter it down
As the logical part of me can't see why staying at my mums xmas eve puts us at more risk than us just going there in morning same as xmas night
Too far too walk so if we drive can't even have a glass of bubbly ( as I won't even have a bucks fizz and drive) I am a real rule follower person but even I am struggling to follow this to the letter
Today my dc has rugby training some contact takes place although limited compared to normal , I can't believe this is still allowed to go ahead various schools mixing when we are having such strict measures
Mine haven't gone as we will still see my mum and dad xmas day and have been being careful for the 11/12 days prior