I'm fucking done

[Twizbe]

I'm done. We've been isolating ready to see my parents and now we can't.

This is the third time now we've had to cancel plans last min and I'm sick of it! Totally sick of it!

It doesn’t matter how many tiers there are - this is NOT going to be ‘all over.’ Ever. It’s a virus!

It needs to be managed, it can’t be stopped. It’s already mutating like Coronaviruses do.

Mental health, isolation, other illnesses are still real. Those attacking others for not following rules need a wake up call fast. This isn’t going away, it’s not going to be all over - people meeting isn’t prolonging it, it’s simply making it risky for the nhs to manage. Stop pretending that not meeting family would stop the virus. It won’t.

Those will are alone and feeling mentally unwell, see your family if it’s safe for you to do so. Sod the tiers.

@happystone
Sorry - how the hell do you know what the impact is on children, just because they don't say anything doesn't mean it isn't affecting them? Can't believe you are so quick to dismiss their needs / emotional wellbeing ...
I'm going to bed because this thread is making me cross

you seem to think that if our NHS had had more money thrown at it then it would have coped fine with a global pandemic - as if it’s that simple

I deliberately and demonstrably didn't say that. I referred to the NHS being 'hollowed out.' The Tories have dismantled the NHS in all kinds of insidious ways.

You disagree, fine. That's what these threads are here for. I'm going to bed now, so go well and happy Christmas!

Out of curiosity, are flights from abroad still going to be landing, with no real quarantine rules?

I think there is a lot to learn from children.

I agree! my DC and students are amazing they know they are at a lower risk than many but they never moan they just get on with it.

I know a few do have anxiety when people don’t follow the rules I think because they are worried about their family members rather than themselves.

Stop pretending that not meeting family would stop the virus. It won’t.

A communicable disease is spread through person to person transmission - the less people you come in contact with the less it will spread - it’s common sense.

@toocold54 the virus will still be here through! So do you suggest never seeing anyone again? Or never seeing anyone until everyone is vaccinated?

It’s absurd.

@happystone do you know all the children in the uk then
That is such a sweeping statement
Mine don't moan too much but it is affecting them and long term isn't known yet
There are 1 year olds that have hardly met others and toddlers who haven't mixed for a good 10 months
Teenagers missing out on last few years as kids
College course that are practical kids not being able to do all content

the virus will still be here through! So do you suggest never seeing anyone again? Or never seeing anyone until everyone is vaccinated?

So is malaria, polio, TB, rabies etc it’s not about shutting ourselves away forever it’s about doing things to reduce the spread until we know more about this new virus.
Whether that’s a vaccination or knowing the long term effects or which animals transmit it etc.

@timeforanewstart surely that’s because there’s a worldwide pandemic going on?

@toocold54 that could take years.
The way we have lived the last 10 months or so isn't sustainable for years
They are going to have to think of other measures
Why do we never close our borders ?

@toocold54 what comment of mins are you referring too ?

@toocold54 if its the affects on children that was because some are saying they are not affected bt this of course they are and I was simply pointing out we don't know long term effects on them yet
Its stupid to say they aren't affected
And I don't think all teachers would agree that all students are dilegent and are only anxious if some don't follow the rules , some of the local teenagers here are not acting like we are in a pandemic

@toocold54 i agree less you come into contact less it spreads , unless its schools because we haven't been too worried about 30 kids sat in a classroom , and if secondary potentially moving to another classroom
My ds has been in a bubble of 160 say , but for xmas we can't form a bubble of 6

@happystone

I think there is a lot to learn from children.they don’t complain about social distanceing washing their hands and missing out on lots of things, everyone should just grow up and get on with it.if you MH is that bad then do what you have to do

Which children are these? Your own? Or are you speaking for ever child in the country? Speak for yourself not the rest of us. Children have suffered horribly and for what? Yet more lockdowns and restrictions.

This. Virus. Isn't. Going. Anywhere.

We learn to live with it, manage it, but it'll be a bloody long time before that happens regardless of what Johnson and his cronies ramble on about. The only way to let us get our lives back is to let us get our fucking lives back.

And lockdown only kicks the can further down the road.

Shall I say it again for those at the back?

You can blame others all you like, if it comforts you in your sanctimonious, smug little minds, but the fact is those people you are blaming transferred or caught this virus going to work while you wfh. Filled the supermarket shelves or your online delivery boxes with food, or kept the county's infrastructure working, the internet so you can place your Amazon orders - oh and don't forget the people packing and delivering those orders. The NHS workers, cars home workers, public transport drivers, hospital patients, care home residents, teachers, school kids and uni students. Fucking selfish bastards eh?

So before you point fingers saying 'if you'd only followed the rules..' have a word with yourselves.

that could take years.
The way we have lived the last 10 months or so isn't sustainable for years. They are going to have to think of other measures. Why do we never close our borders ?

I don’t think it will take years. We have had bird flu and swine flu scares before which we managed really quickly. The fact it’s taking so long makes it apparent how dangerous this virus is but you have every single country in the world researching it and there’s already a vaccine which usually takes years.

And I agree that the borders should have closed the second we found out about it and we wouldn’t be in this mess.
But many people would disagree and say the economy is more important than people’s health.

Dongdingdong

Did you ever stop to think that this was because all the morons went out the night before the lockdown in November. Oh is the incubation period between 10-14 days! 2 weeks hmmm wonder why we are in this situation again!!!

but the fact is those people you are blaming transferred or caught this virus going to work while you wfh.

You mean like the NHS, teaching staff and shop workers who’ve had to work double hours and put themselves and families at risk and are asking people to stop being so selfish and just follow the rules like everyone else.

@toocold54

but the fact is those people you are blaming transferred or caught this virus going to work while you wfh.

You mean like the NHS, teaching staff and shop workers who’ve had to work double hours and put themselves and families at risk and are asking people to stop being so selfish and just follow the rules like everyone else.

I have all those people in my family, myself included, and damn right we worked hard. We'd now like to spend Christmas with their families without sanctimonious gits like some people on this thread calling us selfish.

*our families

@toocold54 and of course all NHS workers follow the rules to the letter.
I’ve done the best I can, no one has been in my house since March, its a year since I’ve seen most of my family, I’ve seen my mum once, unlike my next door neighbour who is a nurse on a Covid ward and has had ‘gatherings’ in the house on numerous occasions throughout lockdown and tier 3. I expect they aren’t the only ones.

@notyouraverage guy but november lockdown was 4 weeks in uk so even if two weeks to show symptoms ( which isn't everybody ) and then 10 days in isolation thats within the 4 weeks
But schools were open lets not pretend that by them being open with little measures in place hasn't contributed and many are back in offices etc , the first lockdown helped as it was strict.

@Ted27 no profession can say they don't have rule breakers
More people I know in all professions have at least bent the rules be it deliberately or not interpreting them
Someone i know is very strict with rules yet seems to think as her parents provide childcare they have an exclusive bubble and can travel in car together and eat in each other houses and visit at other tomes and she honestly thinks that is following the rules , which to my knowledge it isn't

Bloody hell, the stasi is out in force tonight.

@timeforanewstart

I know,
I’m just struggling with it all tonight. I’m a single parent, with an autistic teenager who is doing his best but having a hard time, we no local family or support bubble. My son was desparate to see his nanny with whom he is very close, we were going for two hours next Sunday. It was just something to hold on to, now its gone. I’ve been working from home since March, and whilstbI know I’m lucky to have a secure job, the isolation is becoming overwhelming