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Christmas IS going to be cancelled - last minute.

726 replies

Elephant4 · 18/12/2020 23:35

Isn't it?

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/18/boris-johnson-calls-crisis-meeting-to-discuss-response-to-new-covid-strain

They're panicking now.

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SleepingStandingUp · 19/12/2020 01:04

@MercyBooth

TOBIAS ELLWOOD WAS AT A PARTY WITH 27 PEOPLE PIERS MORGAN AND DR HILARY JONES CAUGHT WITHOUT MASKS ON. KAY BURLEY BETH RIGBY GRANT SHAPPS AND HIS HIGH VALUE INDIVIDUALS NOT QUARANTINING. THIS IS ALL IN THE LAST FORTNIGHT ALONE.
Why are you shouting?
WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 19/12/2020 01:04

@MercyBooth

TOBIAS ELLWOOD WAS AT A PARTY WITH 27 PEOPLE PIERS MORGAN AND DR HILARY JONES CAUGHT WITHOUT MASKS ON. KAY BURLEY BETH RIGBY GRANT SHAPPS AND HIS HIGH VALUE INDIVIDUALS NOT QUARANTINING. THIS IS ALL IN THE LAST FORTNIGHT ALONE.
Stop shouting!

The virus will NOT be taking a break, people need to stay in their own homes & not have visitors.

IF someone has a real problem with it, physical or mental, then make arrangements fir them to be with someone in the safest way possible. This might involve one person from the family visiting them or having them stay with you & cancelling any other visitors.

Pandemic that kills. Pandemic that leaves people with lifelong medical issues.

We CANNOT have a 'normal' Christmas. Time to get over it!

Help people that can't bear to be alone, but don't socialise just because you're allowed & it's Christmas.

VenusTiger · 19/12/2020 01:04

@MadameBlobby sorry to hear your DS is suffering this guilt. Please read with him about asymptomatic transmission - knowledge is power. He doesn't need to feel like this.

Thewiseoneincognito · 19/12/2020 01:05

@VenusTiger I hope for your mental healths sake that you have a very safe and uneventful covid free Christmas otherwise the last 10 months will seem like a walk in the park.

Onceuponatimethen · 19/12/2020 01:06

@CrocodilesCry we live 5 hours away so a one day visit is a bit tricky and the other household lives 3 hours away from them in the opposite direction. We haven’t seen any family since august because day trips for an outdoor walk aren’t doable due to distance. There’s no risk as everyone will have isolated (wfh only) for two weeks by the day of travel

Staffy1 · 19/12/2020 01:07

@housemdwaswrong

Hope not. We've been isolating for a fortnight to meet. Far riskier to be in supermarket or gp surgery then in ours on Christmas day.
Exactly.
Pyewhacket · 19/12/2020 01:07

The Guardian is Holy Writ on this site. Makes me laugh.

Onceuponatimethen · 19/12/2020 01:07

If this is cancelled we won’t see them again until all elderly relatives have had vaccine or the summer holidays, again after a 2 week quarantine if work would let us do that by then

SoWhatNo · 19/12/2020 01:07

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Em777 · 19/12/2020 01:10

[quote Jourdain11]**@Em777* it's more deadly because it's more contagious, it isn't more deadly and* more contagious. It's good to be clear about that.

In my view, snooping on your neighbours and guilt-tripping people is not taking care of each other. I'm sorry, but I just can't change my opinion about that![/quote]
But is more deadly and contagious. The death rate is between 0.25-0.66%, that’s significantly higher than the flu.

For example, from a report today:

Roughly a year into the pandemic it is clear the new coronavirus is worse than seasonal flu, and a study released on Friday outlined just how much worse, showing a death rate almost three times higher among Covid-19 patients.

The research, using French national data and published in the journal The Lancet Respiratory Medicine, underscored the increased severity of illness for people with Covid-19.

Researchers compared data for 89,530 patients hospitalised with Covid-19 in March and April this year with 45,819 patients hospitalised with seasonal influenza between December 2018 and the end of February 2019.

Some 16.9 per cent of Covid-19 patients died during the period of study – which was during a devastating first wave across Europe when doctors had few therapies to turn to for severely ill people.

This compares to a death rate of 5.8 per cent among those with influenza.

Catherine Quantin, a professor at the University Hospital of Dijon and the French national health institute INSERM who jointly led the study, said the difference in death rates was "particularly striking" given the 2018/19 flu season was the deadliest France had seen in five years.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/18/coronavirus-three-times-deadly-flu-finds-french-national-study/

Scarby9 · 19/12/2020 01:11

@ineedaholidaynow
They will need to stop en route to swap drivers, but will be carrying their own toilet facilities. We really are desperate to keep it safe.

Staffy1 · 19/12/2020 01:11

[quote Jourdain11]**@Em777* it's more deadly because it's more contagious, it isn't more deadly and* more contagious. It's good to be clear about that.

In my view, snooping on your neighbours and guilt-tripping people is not taking care of each other. I'm sorry, but I just can't change my opinion about that![/quote]
No, it's more deadly than flu, nothing to do with being more contagious. It kills a higher percentage of people who get it than the flu does.

VenusTiger · 19/12/2020 01:12

@Thewiseoneincognito not spending Christmas with my family - spending a few hours before Christmas day with my parents - my son has really suffered - he's an only child - hasn't seen his cousins since last year (nor I my siblings) and we simply WILL NOT let him suffer like this ANY MORE - it's abhorrent! My parents feel the same way and we will safely meet up, but I can't stand all of this. Please look at ONS figures, please look at PCR tests, please look at how cases do NOT equal infections, please look at how many infections are transmitted IN hospitals, please look at asymptomatic transmission. Please stop with this terrible shaming.
I've seen some horrendous things during lockdown.
Being sensible is key, but not fucking up my child's head anymore.

RememberSelfCompassion · 19/12/2020 01:12

I dont think they will. Votes.

However how did they NOT see this coming!? Do they not ever preemtively plan? Or pay any attention to sage or hospital experts...Or af least when they ignore them plan for the consequences...!?

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 19/12/2020 01:13

@ScottishStottie

If the new strain is in the south east then surely thats where the travel restrictions should be, not the whole country.

I dont ser why northumberland needs to be locked down just because london is not coping, but if london suffers i guess the rest of us have to as well

It's not just in the SE, it's in 64 different areas.

They also have no idea if it's spreading it quicker or not.

Hospitals everywhere are at or over capacity. THAT is the problem.

This virus doesn't give a flying fuck if you've bought enough Brussels sprouts to feed an army or not. It's not taking a holiday,

Just stay home with those you live with. I'll be spending Christmas on my own. It's fine. It's one year and there will be many more with loved ones IF COVID isn't spread from one end of country to the other filling up all the hospitals so no one can get treatment for anything!!

If someone is going to be alone or is terminally ill or something and can't cope, then see them as safely as you can. Don't be reckless and don't socialise for the sake of it. It's just not worth it.

MercyBooth · 19/12/2020 01:13

@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants

Im walking a half hour to my parents. Im not using public transport.

MercyBooth · 19/12/2020 01:14

@MNHQ Please do something about these threads

Thewiseoneincognito · 19/12/2020 01:15

@VenusTiger I sympathise but this is a life lesson in being selfless. Everyone is in the same situation. Take the risk if you must but remember that is exactly what it is, a risk.

A big risk.

firthy85 · 19/12/2020 01:15

it will be only me and my dad as it has been now for the last few years. we won't be huggin each other lol for the obvious reason we are blokes lol. but if the government think i am going to have all the windows open in late december then they are as cracked as i have always thought they are. catch hypothermia a long side the posibility of covid? hope they are good at whistling

MercyBooth · 19/12/2020 01:18

It's not taking a holiday

Yet many people are to places like the Maldives or Dubai and sitting on a plane for hours with loads of other people.

ineedaholidaynow · 19/12/2020 01:18

What do you want them to do about the threads @MercyBooth

MercyBooth · 19/12/2020 01:19

It doesnt matter. I dont need them to do anything. Not now!

greenlynx · 19/12/2020 01:20

When the rules are relaxed it was political decision. People were tired of the restrictions and desperate for some normality. Boris knew that restrictions on Xmas would be hugely unpopular. And who would be policing them?
Also I bet few of them wanted to have party without hiding from journalists.

The problem is that the government put us inside in November but haven’t sorted out testing system and now new strain appeared. It’s new so tbh we can’t blame Boris that he didn’t take it into account in November.

MercyBooth · 19/12/2020 01:21

And as for the guilt tripping over seeing family part of the reason DM struggles so much physically now is due to over 50 years working in poultry factories . She retired in December 2015 (that was a good Christmas) It all caught up with her in January 2016. And she has been fobbed off ever since She has problems with headaches and her hearing, Her leg is swollen. And problems with circulation. So she wouldnt need so much help now if she had been treated properly to begin with. How many families are in this situation i wonder , Coudnt get treatment PRE pandemic and now are expected to make family suffer more to protect something that didnt treat them in the first place

MercyBooth · 19/12/2020 01:25

Selfless? Before last Decembers election when there was that little boy lying on the floor in a hospital waiting room ppl still voted this lot in. And made all sorts of excuses for it. Berated the mother of the boy for drawing attention to it. Selfless my arse. Not many cared until something came along that could affect THEM