Has anyone else lost the will to care?

[whatToDoHerre]

I have. I barely care about anything anymore. I don't know what we are fighting for - if this is life then is it worth living? We are not living, we are only existing at this point.

We could be in for months and months of restrictions and there's even talk of a third lockdown. Because the first two worked so well?

In a few short months a whole year of our lives will have been restricted.

If there is light at the end of this tunnel it's a very long tunnel, and I don't think we've travelled very far.

@MassiveSalad

It really isn't. You have to have a virus before you can transmit a virus. I could have any number of viruses at any given time. Nobody cared before, nobody will care after this one stops making headlines.

I also will not be held responsible for stopping a virus doing what they do, despite lockdown after lockdown and restrictions on top of restrictions, and I will certainly not be held responsible for "saving" a NHS that has been underfunded for YEARS and struggles every single winter.

China is quite far to move. You could try Spain? I hear things are going well there after their authoritarianism.

Agree

Since when is it our job to “protect the NHS”?

I try to distract myself from the covid stuff as much as possible but when I can't the only emotion I seem to have left is a dull, impotent rage.

I know a handful of people who had covid and recovered, quite a few more who have tested positive with zero symptoms.

Two of DH's friends have attempted suicide, I have serious worries about a third who also lives alone and is struggling. 3 of my cousins have already been made redundant, I'm pretty sure twice that number again will be redundant once furlough ends. My mum's business is only surviving because she hasn't taken a wage all year so she can keep paying her 9 staff, my Dad is self employed and work has disappeared. Then finally my uncle, who survived leukemia against startling odds 5 years ago, has finally got in to see the doctor 6 months after getting symptoms, to be told he's got prostate cancer and they should have caught it earlier.

All that devastation for a virus we now know has about the same fatality rate as the flu. We're gonna look back in 20 years, when the economy still won't have recovered, and wonder what the fuck we were doing.

I know a fair few people who've had it, one was 81 and hospitalised for three days but fully recovered, and one was in her 30s and sadly died though she did have several pre existing health conditions. The rest all had mild colds or were asymptomatic and only picked up through workplace testing. The MN contacts confuse me.

I long for a dose of Chinese style authoritarianism to get people to stick to the rules and get it over with.

Yikes!

And this is the reason we still have the issues and in China life is back to normal. I long for a dose of Chinese style authoritarianism to get people to stick to the rules and get it over with.

@Wherehavetheteletubbiesgone

If that's what you want, I'll volunteer to come barricade you in the house with no food for a few months. I'll cut off your wifi too so we won't have to listen to you. Enjoy.

I think there is going to be a full lockdown in January, prepare yourselves mentally and physically, we’re in this for the long haul i’m afraid.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9067043/Ministers-refuse-rule-national-lockdown-Christmas-break.html

That's what I can't stand, the shaming if you either get the virus or pass it on

Very much this.

My mum had it in October, she is 76 (she was fine incidentally, 3 days of what she described as a cold). She caught it because she helps to care for her severely disabled granddaughter, my neice, and one of the paid carers 'brought' it in unknowingly. Who do we apportion the blame to in this scenario? Who should have stayed the fuck at home here? This is why STFAH can get to absolute fuck for me.

I'm so done with it all. It's a miserable existence with no apparent end. We're being tricked into compliance. As if the vaccine that doesn't stop you catching it transmitting the virus will help us, right, course it will.

I exist day to day. I'm trying not to think too hard about what next year will be like and focus on trying to do little things that make my family smile where I can. But honestly I'm running out of ideas and the kids are struggling with this life.

As for the china thing. I don't even know where to start. Have a little google of their day to day oppression and the social credit system and let us know how keen you are for it then.

Thank you for this thread. I agree with everyone (except perhaps one - Chinese authoritarianism FFS).

I stopped caring ages ago. I’m totally desensitised to all of it and just want my life back. I can’t get excited about more fucking walks or listening to birds or enjoying a slower pace of life. I won’t live like I’m 95 years old. Life is too precious to waste.

We live in such a culture of blame that people simply can’t accept that sometimes shit happens and people die and it’s not really anyone’s fault. I truly believe that this virus will do what viruses do and there is fuck all we can do about it. For this reason I pay as little heed to the rules as possible. The lockdown lovers can scream at me all they like, that I’m the problem, but I don’t think I am.

I don’t blame the government for the fact there is a virus which people have died with. I do blame them entirely for the wilful destruction of people’s lives, our society, our children’s future and I cannot believe that nobody is asking them tougher questions or holding them to account.

@Baileysforchristmas yep I 100% agree. This is the same language they use over and over to get us used to the idea before they do it. Utterly utterly depressing. The last two did naff all, let's do it again. There won't be any economy left to trash soon, how's that for a silver lining??

If others agree maybe we could keep this thread going - it is nice to feel that you aren't alone with your feelings and struggles?

Thank you for this thread. I feel so utterly miserable this week and to read that others feel the same is comforting.

I am so sick of it and so disgusted with people who think that it’s fine for people to commit suicide, lose their home, jobs, livelihoods - as long as it isn’t coronavirus hey?

I’m disgusted with my fellow humans.

I have been researching anywhere more normal for us to escape to.

@MoltenLasagne. Armchair expert completely talking out of his/her arse as ususual. If we are talking about impotent rage speak to the 1000s of relatives who've lost loved ones and yet half the country thinks it's all an overreaction. Tell that to the child who lost a parent to covid last week and whose surviving parent is still severely incapacitated by covid himself.
This virus isn't flu, it has multiorgan effects, it's killed >60,000 people and 1000s more are left with longlasting worrying symptoms. Simply can't believe the heartlessness of some. Economies grow and recover. Look at the recessions of the 80s,90s.

The real worry is the “rule by fear” and all that goes with it to keep that in place.
For example:
A total lack of available real information about actual transmission scenarios, false positives, whether or not once you’ve had it you can’t get it again or pass it on. Covid is a coronavirus. You’re not telling me that a worldwide network of scientists aren’t able to answer at least some of these questions. The fact is, some can and have tried but they get rapidly silenced or publicly humiliated for having such a “fake news” idea. This lack of information results in confusion amongst the public about how dangerous it is, how prevalent it is and how it will naturally run its course. Can somebody with zero symptoms of an illness really have an infection and then really be able to pass it on?

ANY deviation from the lockdown mantra on social media is shut down and posters blocked.

Protests against lockdown are currently banned in the Uk so nobody gets to hear an alternative viewpoint.

People are told that breaking any rules will result in the death of somebody’s family member.

Masks are mandatory inside, creating an uneasy atmosphere where nobody wants to hang around and chat. Of course, pubs, cafes and restaurants are closed too so no chance for a chat there. Idle chat might spread mis-information.....
Nobody is allowed inside your own house or even in some cases your bloody garden - once again, idle chat equals the possibility of questioning the mantra.

News articles only about the deaths, the overflowing hospitals, the rare cases of death amongst a younger population. At first it seemed that the government wanted to ignore talk of long covid but now it is yet another useful tool for keeping everybody scared and repressed - if you don’t die from covid aged 36, your lungs will be damaged forever

No balance of facts. If a city the size of London has 299 cases per 100,000, amongst a population of over 9 million, that’s actually less than 30,000 people at the given time (if my maths is correct) . How many of those cases are false positives, asymptomatic or amongst the younger generations, causing the vast majority of them no problems?

An older Austrian lady I spoke to in August really hit this message home to me. She said, covid virus aside, to rule by fear is a dangerous path to follow and that is the real enemy of 2020.

@Redbrickwall thanks to know you are disgusted. Worked on ICU throughout covid and it truly was a shit show. The lockdown drastically cut numbers from 28 plus patients to 2 or 3 at one point so yes it did work. I ironically caught covid off my partner just under 3 weeks ago and am nowhere near recovered, still breathless etc. You think we are enjoying this ?

Economies grow and recover

Oh brilliant, no need to worry then, what a relief. I mean, people losing jobs, and homes and their lives due to poverty and suicide can just recover, right? They didn't get covid so does it really matter?

Children missing huge chunks of their education and their opportunities for social skills can just recover? Even the ones that are far far worse off being at home with abusive parents? Fuck 'em, at least it isn't covid.

Victims of domestic violence, women and children, can just grow and recover right?

People who die of missed cancers can grow and recover?

As long as we all STFAH then we can protect people from a 'deadly' virus that is a mild illness (or an illness with no symptoms) for the vast vast majority of us. Have I got it right?

I am so sick of it and so disgusted with people who think that it’s fine for people to commit suicide, lose their home, jobs, livelihoods - as long as it isn’t coronavirus hey

You do understand that most people are worried about all of these things and covid? Maybe you’re the one lacking any empathy here if you can’t manage to muster up any sympathy for those who have been badly affected by this.

How fucking offensive to everyone with direct, real life experience of the worst end of the spectrum of this pandemic to be so dismissive.

All of the effects of this pandemic matter. Climbing over the bodies of other issues to shove yours in peoples faces is crass and offensive.

@Schonerlebnis
Please don’t derail the thread. I have had Covid and as Type 1 diabetic , it was horrendous. However, I still don’t believe we can shut down our country for it.
I have reported your post as it’s the wrong thread for it

In fact, I wish I could retract my post because I have zero wish to interact with somebody who can't read a room.

It is amazing how many ICU doctors and nurses there are on MN. Almost as many as the people who know 5 people under 40 who died of it.

Here we go ladies, the thread being fucked up bu people who have only one agenda - Covid.

@MassiveSalad
Absolutely.

Yes, life feels utterly bleak. I’m so fed up of the absolute obsession over case numbers in which the vast vast majority are either asymptomatic or only mildly ill; I think it takes the focus away from the hospitalisation numbers / deaths and is creating unnecessary worry.

God, they just can't leave any thread alone can they?

@Redbrickwall

Here we go ladies, the thread being fucked up bu people who have only one agenda - Covid.

Weird that - on a coronavirus forum board.

@massivesalad - Yes, it’s other people that can’t read a room. There’s a great big sign on the door in case you missed it.