Has anyone else lost the will to care?

[whatToDoHerre]

I have. I barely care about anything anymore. I don't know what we are fighting for - if this is life then is it worth living? We are not living, we are only existing at this point.

We could be in for months and months of restrictions and there's even talk of a third lockdown. Because the first two worked so well?

In a few short months a whole year of our lives will have been restricted.

If there is light at the end of this tunnel it's a very long tunnel, and I don't think we've travelled very far.

@Flaxmeadow

Well that wasn’t to do with the lockdown then was it, as deaths have a lag of at least 2 - 3 weeks following infections

The lockdown had actually started before the 23rd. Schools and nightclubs had already closed and people were expecting more measures and getting used to the idea of it

But that was March. When people actually cared about health services. Today pp don't seem to care anymore

They closed a couple of days before lockdown. Not 2 - 3 weeks before

it’s like an edgy teenage atheist standing in a church on a Sunday morning moaning the all anyone keeps talking about is god and Jesus.

[quote Cornettoninja]@MadameBlobby fair enough. I don’t expect you to care but I don’t accept outright denial of truth in any capacity.

I will say that you simply can’t dismiss what has happened in other countries as not possible here. This is the same virus and is capable of the same wherever it is. We can either benefit from others experiences and learn something or we can gamble on blind policy with our fingers crossed.[/quote]
I am not denying the truth. I watch the same news as all you.

@Taystee29

The NHS has been underfunded for years and that is not the fault of the public. If it wasn't underfunded we wouldn't be in and out of these ridiculous lockdowns.

It is the fault of people who voted for the Party that caused it though.

I swear there are some on here who won’t be happy until they’ve seen an ice rink piled up with corpses, just so they can say they’ve been proven right.

Every thread in here supports your "equally valid point of view", literally every single other thread. That you couldn't leave this one alone is also 'sad'.

I honestly cannot believe that I posted on here about 2 friends attempting suicide and delays to cancer testing meaning my uncle will now die of prostate cancer when he could have survived to basically be told that I shouldn't care because other people are dying from covid.

Honest to god, the callousness of some people astounds me. And they think that we're the uncaring ones because we actually give a shit about the wider impacts on society. Absolutely monstrous.

This endless banning of seeing friends and families indoors is frankly inhumane. We need to move to a system of small bubbles at the very least.

Creating a society where we are all scared of each other is giving me incredible anxiety. We've all been beaten into submission to be scared of a respiratory illness that is dangerous to a tiny proportion. It's madness. I've got healthy friends who believe covid is a death sentence and it seems to be more and more people who think like that. When all they will get is a cough, lose their sense of smell and taste and have a few sniffles (if anything at all).

We really have lost all perspective on this now and rational behaviour seems to have gone out the window.

It's horrible.

I think about my family. I worry about my parents not knowing my newborn or my DD forgetting her grandparents because they live abroad. I want my DD who is 2 to have a carefree life so I do what I can to keep her happy. Everything else, I dont care at all about. I have become so apathetic. I dont care about the death numbers or case numbers. I dont care about restrictions. I have accepted the economy is screwed. I expect the government to peddle the rubbish rhetoric of 'control the virus' and for people to lose their ability to think for themselves and genuinely believe we can control a minuscule virus. I accept that humans have become judgemental creatures lacking in empathy, worn down by anger and loneliness, just waiting for more permission to see the people they love, but desperately fulfilling their hole of misery with Amazon deliveries.

I focus on my family. I focus on walks out. I focus on my kids having fun. I focus on their innocence and ignorance. I try to use my own common sense and ignore the ridiculous 'rules'. If I look beyond them to the world for too long I will just fall into despair. Its horrific. I hope in some future we get some semblance of humanity back.

I don’t want an end to all measures at all. Some form of SD is sensible and the Christmas plans should be shelved. I even thought pt school would be acceptable for a time. But ultimately cases all go up after every lockdown so it’s just delaying them not stopping them. I think we have to accept that rates will increase and that sadly this may mean some deaths.

Ultimately though repeated lockdowns make no sense and are making no difference.

The point of lockdown is not to stop people dying as such. It is to stop huge amounts of people dying all at that same time. This is why lockdowns are eased, so more can catch it at a level the health services can cope with and the economy can recover for a while. Thats the brutal reality This was explained to us, over and over again, as rolling lockdowns

The fact people have voted repeatedly for a party that has an NHS with no wiggle room at all in even a normal winter far less to deal with Covid is hardly my doing though.

If we had no lockdown, then no health service, whatever the funding, would cope with the numbers needing medical attention in a short space of time

Yes I feel the same.

Just feel like there is no light at the end of this tunnel and every time a small chink of hope breaks through something worse emerges.

Willingly threw 100% into the first lockdown and was so strict, but now we know nothing works I just think what's the point? It's never-ending.

This endless banning of seeing friends and families indoors is frankly inhumane. We need to move to a system of small bubbles at the very least.

Completely agree with this. I feel like if people were even allowed to see one other household inside that would help with compliance.

Willingly threw 100% into the first lockdown and was so strict, but now we know nothing works

But it did work. The infection rate went down steeply

Another here who understands the OP perfectly...... solidarity with all those brave enough to admit that we seem to be living in two parallel universes simultaneously.

I recently had to open another MN account - I was OldQueen1969 but a phone fail followed by a computer fail and difficulties in accessing my personal email account lead me to open a new MN account..... my inability to deal with normally easily resolvable issues like this seems to be a symptom of my reaction to the current situation.

I literally feel like two people - there is the stoically getting on with it me, still opening my shop despite a dramatic drop in custom since the end of second lockdown, still preparing for Christmas, still trying to be upbeat and hopeful. Then there is terrified me, who wakes up in the morning and as I come to, I remember this will be my first Christmas without my Mum who died holding my hand in April. Then I remember the Covid stuff. I remember our finances are balanced on a knife edge. I remember my MIL in a care home with dementia whom we haven't been able to visit, who tested positive in the summer and was asymptomatic - she no longer knows us at all.I remember that my 81 year old Dad,high risk as he has no spleen due to lymphoma, is caring for my Step Mother whose long term mental illness has a side dish of vascular dementia and she is having a really bad spell and my poor Dad has to cope with her threats to end their marriage. I remember my DIL who hasn't seen her family all year because her parents are high risk and have just been moved into Tier 3.Her work is looking more precarious by the second - hospitality management.

I do take everything day by day, I help as much as I can, I count my blessing that DP is in a secure job as yet not suffering real decline, but even he's reported a drop off this week. If that goes sideways I don't know what will happen. At my age my job prospects are pretty much care work. Needs must and all that, but it fills me with dread. I cared for my MIL for 18 months before she went into a home, and the heartbreak still puts a lead weight in my chest. My Mum- terminal cancer. It kills me to watch people suffer.

And there are so many people here who are stuck in similar nightmares and I send my wholehearted sympathy.

In the past I've weathered significant personal storms and picked myself up - but the rest of the world wasn't caught up in a pandemic then.

This is beginning to feel like a madness we will never escape and the effect on people will remain for years.

Will the vaccine be the answer? We won't know for a good while I guess.In the meantime we're stuck in this "we'll try anything and see what sticks" mess.

Yesterdays numbers were significantly higher than last week. Why? Lockdowns and restrictions are supposed to be the answer to controlling spread, and having been into town yesterday for Christmas shopping,and seen how few people were about I don't get it - new strains? I try to follow the science,I do as I'm told, but the undercurrent of fear and hostility always seems to be palpable in public places.

Sorry, didn't mean to offload, but it's been a year - not able to make plans, in stasis, waiting for the next alert that someone I know has the virus - and the whole transmission while asymptomatic ? makes the whole fucking thing seem utterly bananas.

Ah well. Got to go and do a social media video to remind people we're open now- must not be anything other than positive and hopeful......

Please Goddess,a little worldwide mercy would be great about now.

I am not denying the truth. I watch the same news as all you

As a basic statement that cannot be true given the extent and availability of media on the internet today. You will seek news that confirms your bias and I will seek news that confirms mine. If you are not aware of that then it is even truer in your case since you will not actively seek an opposing view.

I lost the will to give a toss about covid after the first week.

@MassiveSalad

Every thread in here supports your "equally valid point of view", literally every single other thread. That you couldn't leave this one alone is also 'sad'.

People are free to post where they like on a public forum.

Oh aren't they just.

The same as people are free to have done giving a shit about all this bollocks and no amount of guilt tripping by posters who feel they are morally and intellectually superior is going to change that i'm afraid.

Public forum and all that.

@Cornettoninja

I am not denying the truth. I watch the same news as all you

As a basic statement that cannot be true given the extent and availability of media on the internet today. You will seek news that confirms your bias and I will seek news that confirms mine. If you are not aware of that then it is even truer in your case since you will not actively seek an opposing view.

I tend to BBC news on in the background whenever I have the TV on. But OK.

It doesn’t really matter what news you watch madameblobby, they’ve all got a bias in one way or another.

I’m digressing though - I find the whole subject fascinating particularly in current times with the advent of social media and the availability of so much information and agenda-pushing propaganda 24/7. It’s that kind of medium Cambridge Analytica built their ‘success’ on and is highly unregulated.

I expect you lost interest half way through that stream of bs I got carried away in posting though!

@Lostinacloud

I wish people in the community would stop getting tested unless they are sure they might have it as a way to protest since even that is banned . Then the only figures the doom squad could rely on would be actual cases in hospitals or care homes. In March and April it was all about the deaths, now it’s all about the cases but many cases doesn’t necessarily mean dire straits for the hospitals because of the fact that so many people can easily cope with covid without any medical requirement. Even if people end up in hospital there is still a decent survival rate and one of the main reasons hospitals are over capacity is because half the staff are off quarantining “in case” they might develop it. We’ve all lived through this long enough by now to be able to make our own decision about whether we visit our elderly relatives or any vulnerable people if we have any symptoms or know we might have been exposed and surely that is the sensible way of trying to reduce spread. Does it really matter if it spreads round younger parts of the population if we all adopted this decision making process?

In my area it is almost now more common for me to hear of or know people that have had covid than not, including myself, and I still don’t know anyone who has needed any medical intervention. Personally I have honestly felt worse after a heavy night on the wine. I know it affects people differently and perhaps I should count myself lucky but then my experience is in line with everybody else that I know of who’s had it. And guess what Twat Hancock, when I had it, I stayed at home until I was properly recovered and turned down meeting up with my older neighbour 10 days after I had recovered just in case - so people can make sensible decisions and try to protect against further spread, who knew!!

I didn't have a test for this reason. Just stayed in the house.

I feel the same and posted on another thread about this . The government cock everything up so give us no hope, they have undertaken actions that smack of corruption and there are too many vested interests whether it’s political and poor scoring between parties or financial and holding significant stakes in pharmaceuticals

Even by the WHO standards the pcr tests should not be used in isolation yet this goes unmentioned .

www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users