Are they really going to cancel Christmas?

[fedupfrances]

And if they do, will loads of people just break the rules anyway?

It’s sodding ridiculous - myself and DP have barely left the house last week and won’t be going out this week either, other than walks in our local park. My parents have also been at home pretty much constantly. None of us has Covid 19 and the risk of catching it if we get together at Christmas is practically zero. So fed up with this shite!

@treening I think nearly all countries messed up their response tbh, with hindsight. dont know about all of Europe but Germany has fewer deaths than us and their hospitals are struggling. (and they've restricted Xmas in the last few days - not saying that's the way forward for us necessarily)

[quote timeforanewstart]@Breadwidow you know lots of peoples kids have missed school due to the spread of schools though[/quote]
yes, and i don't want the kids to miss anymore, so lets not mix at xmas to hold the lid on it over the holidays and that way schools will be more likely to stay open (or at least not close for as long) in January.

Yadda yadda yadda health service overwhelmed - how many times have we heard this. Where is the evidence, the modelling that is not based on striking fear in people's hearts? From what I can gather most transmission still appears to be in hospital, in care homes and in workplaces ... and let's not forget for the vast majority of the population 90%+ even if they get Covid they won't need hospital treatment

You can't get a Christmas slot at the moment but they are still delivering until about the 20th.

That's no good to me as my fridge is small and I haven't space to store a week's worth of food in it.

Well I can’t afford to shop at a farm shop so obviously not privileged

That is my mum, not me. And her friend owns it so she gets everything discounted anyway.

@myhobbyisouting

Ah ok. "Bizarre" then that you felt it was that we would see FIL in our situation, rather than have him go shopping.

You can see him if he is by himself anyway.

So how have usa handled it then ?

Horrifically?

Christmas is 10 days away. People have plenty of time to go shopping, assuming they change the rules in the near future.

@Belladonna12 So it’s perfectly fine for loads more people to pile into a supermarket - “the most common location for Covid exposure in England” - but not to go see my parents in the situation I’ve described in my OP?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-supermarkets-uk-exposure-nhs-b1748906.html

@randomstatistics it happened in italy where its better funded. happened in Spain for sure (don't know about the funding there).

Ooh you are privileged then @treening. Your mum can get your discounted food for you!

Privilege? A freezer?

Having the money to fill the freezer, yes, that’s an example of privilege.

My freezer is well stocked and I know I’m fortunate. Many people live hand to mouth if you hadn’t noticed. Many more get their ‘weekly shop’ from food banks.
So yes, a freezer full of food isn’t normal for many.

@treening

You can't get a Christmas slot at the moment but they are still delivering until about the 20th.

That's no good to me as my fridge is small and I haven't space to store a week's worth of food in it.

Well I can’t afford to shop at a farm shop so obviously not privileged

That is my mum, not me. And her friend owns it so she gets everything discounted anyway.

That's no good to me as my fridge is small and I haven't space to store a week's worth of food in it.

I can't either and don't have a working freezer so I will just order five or six days worth of food (a lot of cupboard food rather than fridge) and then go to shop in the evening to get a couple of days worth of food for Christmas and Boxing Day. Deliveries start again on the 27th.

Devon and exeter trust on black warning

Last week had 919 staff off sick

@timeforanewstart @luckylavender well xmas is different its public bank holidays and celebrated by about 90% of the population , that is a fact
Yes it was awful for people celebrating Eid in the affected areas but it wasn't across the whole country

So it wasn't across the whole country, that's ok then???? Manchester still hasn't come out.

That was for Benjispruce2 btw.

Ooh you are privileged then@treening.

I never said I wasn't. I merely pointed out that it is a privilege to a) have a freezer and b) to be able to fill it.

Not really sure what is controversial about that tbh.

I so hope they don't.honestly I am hanging on by a thread and if I can't see family at Christmas I think it might push me over the edge

"You can see him if he is by himself anyway."

@Belladonna12 I'm not writing it all out again for you.

"Ooh you are privileged then @treening. Your mum can get your discounted food for you!"

@Benjispruce2 are you for real? There are families living in poverty. Lots of them. Fucking rickets made a comeback in the community I'm talking about and here you are with your spare turkeys and taking the piss. Vile.

@Whattimeisdinner

Privilege? A freezer?

Having the money to fill the freezer, yes, that’s an example of privilege.

My freezer is well stocked and I know I’m fortunate. Many people live hand to mouth if you hadn’t noticed. Many more get their ‘weekly shop’ from food banks.
So yes, a freezer full of food isn’t normal for many.

Oh yay the MN four Yorkshire men sketch is in full flow, alongside everyone's favourite BUT THEY CANCELLED EEEIIIIDDDDDDDD. It never changes here.

I will do whatever I was going to do anyway, irrespective of whatever cobbled-up rules are issued (i.e. very little).

That said: it's disheartening that people are so worked up about a couple of days. I am among hundreds of thousands of people who have lost everything as a result of repeated lockdowns. Nobody has really given a stuff about this, or about the arts and hospitality being torpedoed generally.

It is a shame that there is more concern about Christmas than there has been about other people generally.

@fedupfrances the article says the opposite of your point have you read it?
Explaining the data, Isabel Oliver, director of the National Infection Service at PHE, said: “Suggestions that supermarkets are causing COVID-19 to spread are inaccurate. Common exposure data does not prove where people are contracting COVID-19.

“It simply shows where people who have tested positive have been in the days leading up to their test and it is used to help identify possible outbreaks,” she added.

The thing is, other virulent viruses that don’t affect the vast majority of people do not normally require entire swathes of staff to be off work for 14 days at a time, especially those who don’t even have any symptoms. I appreciate that those same people could spread covid or whatever else they have to someone vulnerable but I still maintain that this is the case for strong flu strains or noroviruses and we haven’t locked down for those before despite hospitals breaching full capacity. Difference was that there wasn’t such a lack of staff reducing capacity even more.

Also people have to remember that plenty of individuals who do live with others may still need the support of others. If I was going through a rocky patch with my DH, I might want to see family at Christmas. My mum lives with her DP, but she has just lost her father. She doesn't want to spend Christmas just alone with her DH, thinking about her Dad. She wants to see her children and grandchildren.

It isn't as simple as "well if you live with others what are you complaining about"

TBH many people that I know are definitely going to avoid mixing families together and our elderly vulnerable family members are not taking the risk. It really would be playing Russian roulette with people’s lives !

Oh yay the MN four Yorkshire men sketch is in full flow, alongside everyone's favourite BUT THEY CANCELLED EEEIIIIDDDDDDDD. It never changes here.

Have you quoted me by mistake?
Not sure what the above refers to... What has Eid got to do with filling freezers and shopping at food banks?

This thread is so stupid. Surely you just listen to the scientists advice OP? Why would you be the exception?

Anyone except vulnerable / single people should stay at home with their own household for one year.