Good News Thread Part 3

[FuzzyPuffling]

New thread as I got worried the old one was going to run out of space!

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@TheChineseChicken

The doom mongers bother me because they risk negatively influencing others who then might not have the vaccine. The more people who are vaccinated, the quicker we’ll be free from this shit show

Agreed!

www.gov.uk/government/news/oxford-universityastrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-approved?fbclid=IwAR3bw4o7xwO08LnrcM4zjvY-2KZjunTlD85F78yVOFU-eyw9c7QD2Cef22M

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@Pomegranatespompom

Vaccinations don’t fit with some people agendas. The disruption has quite suited a vocal minority.

Looking forward to the end of the ‘schools must close’ posts.

I think this is very true. Bit like the Brexit deal. There is some overlap between the two groups. I think some just love to see the U.K. fail. I’ve no idea why and I often wonder if other countries have similar citizens. I think the US clearly does but does France, Italy etc? Where are all the posters that were furious we did not join in with the EU procurement vaccination programme back in July? I remember people calling that criminally negligent of Hancock but it’s proved a sage decision and some people hate that. If god forbid the Oxford vaccine had not been approved (very possible outcome when the Government backed it back in June) we would be hearing all about it from them, but good news and we get tumble weed.

Has anyone yet said how fab it is that they have revised the advice on Pfizer re allergies? It is now the same as Oxford, that if you have a specific allergy to one of the ingredients but for general food allergies they are happy it’s safe and any reactions can be dealt with in the usual way.
That will open it up to a lot of people and deserves to be acknowledged as a distinct bit of good news, I think.

Anyone else really annoyed with Thomas Moore from sky and his horrid questioning and reporting? So irresponsible!!

Sorry, I should have said for specific allergies to ingredients you can’t but general food allergies fine.

@FuzzyPuffling

I'm not sure why people are so worried about pregnant woman getting the vaccine unless they have extra risks. They could wait a few months ( likely to be in latter vaccine groups anyway, as won't be older) have the baby and then have a vaccination. Am I missing something?

No, unless people are planning to be pregnant forever, in which case they have bigger problems than covid

Tea- yes we were shouting at the tv!

Problem is, there is a lack of understanding of pharmaceutical R&D in the general public, which isn’t surprising. But now everyone feels they need to be informed when they’ve never questioned any vaccine or medicine they’ve received before (of course there will be some exceptions to this). And because they don’t know anything avoid how it works they are making false conclusions

Do people realise that trials for drugs for chronic conditions such as diabetes are often licensed after trial of only eg 16 weeks or so? They don’t run studies for years to determine all long term side effects and efficacy

That was a bit garbled but you get the drift

I think the problem is that people have become attenuated to listening to the slippery language of politicians - where chinks of doubt indemnify the speaker from accountability - and reading the language of scientists in the same way. But the language of science is a very different beast in which no guarantees will be offered beyond the scope of research, however unlikely the suggestion.

@FourTeaFallOut

I think the problem is that people have become attenuated to listening to the slippery language of politicians - where chinks of doubt indemnify the speaker from accountability - and reading the language of scientists in the same way. But the language of science is a very different beast in which no guarantees will be offered beyond the scope of research, however unlikely the suggestion.

Yes, you’re absolutely right. And some people are just sceptical of authority in any format

I am bloody delighted! I had a conversation with a woman yesterday that nearly went a bit sour. I ended up mentioning the number of anti-vaxxers that appear to be around and she blurted out 'well, I'm not keen!' She then went onto say how it was rushed, Pfzier had taken out protection against being sued, it was unsafe for pregnant women etc. Of course, thalidomide got a mention too.

Can any of you lot help me with this; I am very pro vax and have such confidence in the Oxford one which is the one I've been mainly looking at as it's the one I am likely to get, but I do agree that if the Pfzier protection situation is as it's been said to me (several times, in loud tones) does create distrust. I also think it's exactly the kind of thing anyone with any reservations whatsoever will jump on it.

I know the other things I hear, like it being 'rushed' or bloody thalidomide are not really the case, but I do think that you need to really know your shit if someone is going to start on one about the evil of vaccines! I am also not great with arguing on the spot, I get too nervous about saying the wrong thing, hence I like to be prepared in advance!

I jut tell any anti vaxxers that I am really looking forward to getting back to something that looks like normal, and I trust that they won't mind hiding away for ever. Rights and responsibilities, people, rights and responsibilities.

(As you can tell, I have ceased to be reasonable over the past few months. This is what shielding and watching other people pissing it up the wall does for you!)

On a more measured level, this vaccine

1. builds on previous knowledge - not starting from scratch
2. has had enormous amounts of money/people/resources chucked at it - no waiting for rounds of funding
3. has been subject to a rolling review

4.has not had to scrabble round for willing trial participants 5.has had plenty of "events" ie people getting (or not getting) covid19

I might think of some more later!

I like to point out that Sarah Gilbert is far cleverer than me, and I choose to trust her, especially as she allowed her own triplets to be part of the trial.

Nice one "tea". I like that!

@TeaInTheGarden

Anyone else really annoyed with Thomas Moore from sky and his horrid questioning and reporting? So irresponsible!!

Yes! I switched off. Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed it. Trying to make a bad news story out of a piece of excellent news.

Alternatively I say "Oh good, that bumps me up the list one place"

Just seen on another thread - “80% efficacy isn’t enough for herd immunity”. WTF are you on about??

@goldpendant

In other positive updates, I've been invited to the next stage for vaccinator role, online training and pre-employment screening! Exciting

Another Covid vaccinator here! There are 18 modules in the training but a lot of them are common knowledge if you have any experience in many settings and I just skipped straight to the assessments. Think child and adult safeguarding, infection control,manual handling. I've passed all the assessments so far and have 3 left. I actually found the vaccine storage one really interesting lol and the one about Covid 19 I got 100% on without even looking at the modules. Told my partner all my hanging around on Mumsnet for months had done me some good!

I'm hoping to finish the final 3 tomorrow then hopefully do some f2f training in Jan to start in Feb maybe? My maternity pay runs out then so I could defo do with the money!

@FuzzyPuffling

I'm not sure why people are so worried about pregnant woman getting the vaccine unless they have extra risks. They could wait a few months ( likely to be in latter vaccine groups anyway, as won't be older) have the baby and then have a vaccination. Am I missing something?

It’s a problem if you’re a pregnant frontline healthcare worker, dealing with covid patients and at constant risk of exposure. This is a discussion of it:

mobile.twitter.com/emergjenncy/status/1340494431221215232

In the US the MHRA has revised its guidance to say that pregnant women should be given the choice over whether or not to have it, but I’m not sure if that’s the case in the UK?

Then it’s also the fact that ‘breastfeeding’ is also lumped in with ‘pregnant’ out of extreme caution. And that could stop you getting vaccinated for a long time.

Thanks for the replies. Mine are very similar, along with saying I’ve focussed on the Oxford one not any of the others. The issue that crops up, however, is that the people I’m finding myself in these conversations with are only on about the Pfizer!