Oxford vaccine

[Thehairyqueenofscots]

Been told at work we will be getting this at next round of vaccinations. It always seems to be high regarded on here so I'm quite pleased about this. Would you have a preference or not bothered?

@Dinnafashyersel

But you haven't given correct information on this thread. You have stated earlier on in this thread:

"Apparently it doesn't even have the Spike the vaccine targets."

So whatever your google source is, well it's incorrect. At least you have acknowledged that second hand journalism/social media is not the best source of information, but honestly, please do not believe that everything on google comes from a reputable source.

Here is a recent report from the COG-UK group detailing latest information regarding the recent variants of Covid19 in the U.K.-

https://www.cogconsortium.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Report-1COG-UKK20-December-2020SARS-CoV-2-Mutationssfinal.pdf

Specifically talks about the potential for vaccine escape as do many other sources.

Confirmation from Matt Hancock during this afternoons press conference that the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine has been fully submitted for approval today.

C'mon c'mon!

@CaveMum

Confirmation from Matt Hancock during this afternoons press conference that the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine has been fully submitted for approval today.

I have never wished so much for everyone I know to be stabbed - and I get monumental PMT

The Independent reporting approval expected “just after Christmas” www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-oxford-vaccine-when-uk-doses-b1778096.html

@Dinnafashyersel of course vaccine escape is possible (and fairly easily fixable) it is why we have an annual flu vaccine.

At the moment the current mutations do not appear to have done so - and if they did Biotech say it would be 6 weeks to fix.

Please dont make vaccine escape sound worse that it is

I am really hoping they dont mess it up! How many Pfizer vaccines are here now? 800K?? More? I are normally a glass half full person but I think the Oxford vaccine will be approved but they wont be able to get supplies. They will get the first batch and then it will go quiet (like the Pfizer one.

The approval will be the first stage and then it will stall. I hope to God I am wrong but I worked with government depts for over 30 years and their organisational skills are dreadful. They are used to running little cottage industries to keep them in a job. I have no doubt they will try and speed up but I dont think they will be up to it.

@Bathroom12345

I am really hoping they dont mess it up! How many Pfizer vaccines are here now? 800K?? More? I are normally a glass half full person but I think the Oxford vaccine will be approved but they wont be able to get supplies. They will get the first batch and then it will go quiet (like the Pfizer one.

The approval will be the first stage and then it will stall. I hope to God I am wrong but I worked with government depts for over 30 years and their organisational skills are dreadful. They are used to running little cottage industries to keep them in a job. I have no doubt they will try and speed up but I dont think they will be up to it.

Apparently there have been 21 shipments of the Pfizer vaccine so far, with more expected soon. They keep quiet on shipments as they don't want them to be terrorist targets, but there is more than 800k in the UK. It will be the same for the Oxford vaccine, but two lots of vaccine shipments will greatly speed up the rollout.

Given a choice I'd take Moderna or Pfizer over the Oxford one based on superior efficacy but the Oxford one is effective enough and I'd take one made by North Korea at this point if it was offered to me.

It's academic at the moment anyway as no-one will be given a choice for some time yet.

I have a hunch about tomorrow for approval day! Fingers crossed.

Absolutely not my intention Quartz. However, as you acknowledge, it is not necessarily the case that we can all just get a vaccine and go back to normal. An annual 2 shot vaccination programme for the entire World population is not what most people are envisaging and is not realistic. This is the implication of your analogy with flu shots. Very different from current narrative of maximum suppression to vaccination with aim of elimination.

The original comment was in relation to whether I would be more likely to have a vaccine given mutation. If the environment is one of a constant race at containment then the calculus on personal and societal risk / benefit changes. Doesn't it?

I note we now have S African as well as Kent variant trending now. There are 1,000s more Worldwide.

It wouldn’t be for the entire world though it would presumably be like the flu vaccine for the same people and with the same expectation of efficacy

That is why the Oxford vaccine is the more important one cheap easy to give and allows for that roll out

There is and never have been elimination as a goal it’s entirely unrealistic and pie in the sky

I agree on elimination goal but tell that to Jacinda and co. Also agree if mitigation is the aim then Oxford makes sense (assuming it can be tweaked and is equally effective when given repeatedly). However if mitigation is the aim the relative benefits to non-vulnerable groups may be marginal (same reasoning behind why flu vaccine is not universal).

I think it is reasonable for (some) individual countries to work on the assumption they can eliminate for the most part (look at UK and Rabies) - New Zealand I think can work on the assumption it can and quickly extinguish any imported cases.

Mitigation though has to be the aim for Europe and the US surely?

Really interesting, well researched deep dive by Reuters into the problems around the Oxford vaccine —

uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-vaccine-sp/special-report-how-a-british-covid-19-vaccine-went-from-pole-position-to-troubled-start-idUKKBN28Y0XU