Oxford vaccine

[Thehairyqueenofscots]

Been told at work we will be getting this at next round of vaccinations. It always seems to be high regarded on here so I'm quite pleased about this. Would you have a preference or not bothered?

@BungleandGeorge

Yes I think the true efficacy rate will become clearer once millions vaccinated although if it's not being measured then we still won't know. The best way to know the true efficacy rate is a challenge trial but I'm not sure that is planned for any of these 3 vaccines who have already reported their phase 3 trials.

As others have said, a 50-60% efficacy is better than no efficacy and we are unlikely to be able to be selective in which vaccines are used due to a global shortage of vaccines. If immunity turns out not to be long-term or a sufficient number of people who have been vaccinated continue to develop symptomatic covid then in the future we may be able to revaccinate with a more effective vaccine.

Nobody in the UK is going to be happy to have the Sputnik vaccine. It’s ridiculous trialling the oxford one with that. Most people don’t trust Russia one little bit.

Nobody in the UK is going to be happy to have the Sputnik vaccine. It’s ridiculous trialling the oxford one with that. Most people don’t trust Russia one little bit.

Oxford is trying to save the world. It is a university not a massive wealthy pharmaceutical company. The pfizer/moderna vaccines are of no use for much of the world.

Any idea when Oxford vaccine is going to be signed off. I hope it isnt long and drawn out i.e its nearly nearly approved, nearly approved, just about to approved and then endless reports about deliveries and pictures of lorries that might or might be be carrying supplies. The build up to them being at GP's surgeries, people queuing to get the jab, interviewing them whilst they are waiting yada yada yada.

I think the government will come under some pressure from the tourism/aviation industry (plus entertainment/sports) to enable people to pay for the vaccination privately in order to rescue those industries.

They can't say you need to be vaccinated in order to travel without enabling people to have access to the vaccine.

@stepintotwitmas

I think the government will come under some pressure from the tourism/aviation industry (plus entertainment/sports) to enable people to pay for the vaccination privately in order to rescue those industries.

They can't say you need to be vaccinated in order to travel without enabling people to have access to the vaccine.

I totally agree. But when will have they sufficient supply to vaccinate people on demand for the sake of holidays? Feels like a long way off with the limited vaccines we have at hand and the manufacturing delays they’ve experienced. Maybe late next year?

*when will they have.

Step - I agree. I am way down the list but they cannot stop younger people going on leave or on holiday but not offer the vaccine.

In fact the target market for overseas holidays is not the over 80's.

Assuming countries have similar levels of vaccination / infection I don't really see travel restrictions persisting. Countries like New Zealand and Australia will have a decision to make on what percentage of their population they need vaccinated before lifting restrictions.

What’s the latest news on when it might be getting approved? Last thing I heard was that it was going to be this week and that’s not happened.

They will be available privately once priority groups are vaccinated. As I understand it Pfizer’s deal with U.K. is that they won’t offer for private sale until their obligation to provide U.K. with 40 million doses is completed which is fair enough. After that point I’d imagine it will be possible to get it privately as far as I’m aware Pfizer isn’t part of Covax. Even if U.K. Gov were to be difficult and not licence it (or in licence) it’s perfectly legal to get unlicensed vaccines in U.K. private vaccination clinics.

And before anyone has a go I think it’s important people have a choice especially when the vaccines are seemingly so different.

How much would you be willing to pay though - are you vulnerable for example or just not willing to take an efficacy rating of under 95%?

@Oaktree55

I assume it will be available privately as soon as any country that has ordered it is willing to accept some cash. There is no need for them to get it from the UK.

@notevenat20

I am very pro the Oxford vaccine too. It's a little sad that big money people are pushing lines against it.. The Oxford vaccine is the one that will save the world. It is cheap, they got guarantees it would be made available in poorer countries and it can be handled easily, unlike the Pfizer vaccine.

Of course it has to be approved first :)

stopped reading, so someone might have already said this....

You do know that the PFIZER was the first to be approved.
Not the Oxford one.

it’s perfectly legal to get unlicensed vaccines in U.K. private vaccination clinics not sure that's correct. did you mean 'unlicensed' - that would be illegal. Do you mean vaccines are licensed but not available for free on the NHS and have to be paid for?

@Bathroom12345

Increasingly countries are requiring PCRs for entry, so this may continue to be sufficient in the future (especially if people cannot or will not - temporarily or permanently get vaccinated)

I don't think we know yet exactly what the Oxford efficacy rate it? Has that been published officially? I thought we had to wait until after MHRA had assessed the data and decided to license/not license it...

@Quartz2208. This isn’t my area of expertise but I’ve done a lot of reading. It’s as yet unknown how each vaccine might (hopefully) prevent transmission but if you’re a betting person it’s likely the mRNA ones will prevent transmission more than the Oxford one. Private vaccines are £100-200 mark per dose (likely to fall significantly to akin to Boots flu jab price eventually I’m sure). Yes I’d pay that for greater protection and a likely greater chance of not passing on. Obviously that’s out of reach for many but surely it’s better that those that can pay, do, especially if the mRNA are superior at preventing transmission (yet to be determined).

I think it’s a mistake to “force” Oxford on population, I think there’ll be greater overall take up with choice.

As yet many unknowns but if I were a betting person I know where I’d put my money.

Don’t forget a pcr test for holiday is circa £150 per person so a private vaccine will likely end up looking cheap.

@TheSunIsStillShining

You do know that the PFIZER was the first to be approved.
Not the Oxford one

I assume they mean it still needs to be approved before it can save the world.

@stepintotwitmas it’s possible to get unlicensed vaccines in U.K., I’ve done it. They are licenced elsewhere eg France/Switzerland and sold privately here. Not illegal at all just buying a product which is licensed elsewhere.

@Oaktree55

Yes, good point. I'm hoping at some point these will become quicker, more sensitive, more specific and cheaper!!

In fact even the nhs use unlicensed U.K. vaccines at times of shortage. They’re licenced in other countries though and imported when we’re short.

I’m very pro vaccination particularly for Covid I just think we’re in danger of being led down another disastrous path by our Government with Oxford.