They called us but job conspiracy theorists...

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But look whats come true now, Wales have introduced a health passport.

When some of us were raising this we were told it won't happen, we are unhinged and conspiracy theorists spouting out rubbish.

Look whose laughing now...welcome to your new normal and it'll be be coming to rest of us too.

I'd be far more pissed off if they required me to find my childhood vaccination card. It'll be here somewhere, but along with 50 million other bits of paper. I'm happy to have a new one

Catch yourself a grip FFS

@Ponoka7 rabies is pretty much fatal in every case unless you've been vaccinated. CV is asymptomatic in up to ~80% of cases. Hardly the same thing!

Smallpox is the only thing that has been eradicated through mass vaccination (and a few other strategies). It is a completely different disease, and again, much more deadly than CV.

90-95% of polio cases are asymptomatic and of those that are paralytic (1%), the mortality rate is 5-15%.

Don't know what the R0 is but pretty much everyone got it before vaccination.

Eliminated in most of the world.

Pretty similar TBH, no?

And polio vaccination records are dum-dum-da recommended by the WHO for those travelling in affected areas. It's not actually controversial.

What would be is requiring vaccination for food shopping, public transport, medical care, anything necessary. The grey area in the middle is the important bit.

Employment: Do I want someone in my home, like a gas fitter, unmasked and no vaccine without prior knowledge? Probably not. It's her/his personal health information but it's also a pandemic and so my health is also important.

No, I don’t think it is that similar. The young were considered to be the most at risk of polio so they were the only ones offered the vaccine to begin with. Over the course of a few years, older children were offered a ‘catch up’ and this eventually extended into younger adults. It wasn’t rolled out as a mass vaccination campaign to the entire population in an attempt to create herd immunity as is being suggested for this. Vaccination uptake ranged from 20-80% across the U.K. The polio vaccines haven’t exactly been without their controversies either!

Those goalposts must be HEAVY.

Smallpox is the only thing that has been eradicated through mass vaccination (and a few other strategies). Really? Well, let's see.

Smallpox needed humans to survive. Mass vaccination stopped it's ability to replicate, so it is gone.

You forgot Rinderpest, also totally eradicated by mass vaccination. Presumably because it happend Someweher Else and in animals it doesn't count?

Everything else we vaccinate against can be carried in the environment, mutates etc

Polio... Tetanus... Flu... Hep A/B... Measles... Rubella... Whooping Cough... Mumps... Diptheria amongst others.

Do you really want to dismiss them all so flippantly? Or are you just too young to be scared of them? Having lived in a Western country that has greatly reduced instances due to mass vaccination.

Ok @CuriousaboutSamphire small pox is the only human disease that has been eradicated by mass vaccination.

I’m not dismissing the others, but they haven’t been eradicated. There have actually been outbreaks of mumps and pertussis in recent years due to waning immunity from the vaccines. And I’m old enough to have actually had mumps, measles, rubella and whooping cough.

Mrs TP, you’re the one who brought up polio.

Think about what you are saying!!! Seriously THINK!!!

Is eradication the measure for all drugs and treatments? Or is 70% good enough?!?! Is alleviation not enough?

Then again, as you are happy that most pople won't be too badly hurt by civid, what the hell, hey?!?!

Taking your idea to it's conclusion - forget medicine altogether!

There have actually been outbreaks of mumps and pertussis in recent years due to waning immunity from the vaccines S'welp me! The disconnect is enormous!

@CuriousaboutSamphire umm, calm down. It’s the WHO that makes decisions on whether or not a disease can be declared eradicated. I was replying to a pp who said that the purpose of the cv vaccine was to eradicate it. That is very unlikely to happen because, in spite of all the vaccinations we now have, the only human disease that we have managed to eradicate is smallpox.

Yes, the vaccine will reduce the number of cases and fatalities which will be a good thing but irt the point I was addressing, no, it is very unlikely that it will eradicate it. I think it will be around for quite a while and it is likely that the vaccine will end up being part of the annual schedule for vulnerable people.

My mum still has my vaccination record card from when I was a child. I'm 48 now, so hardly a new idea...

This seems totally sensible and proportionate and I hope England does the same!

I wanted to post this link to an article about a new mother and her concerns for her son, what will be the effects on him of being a "pandemic baby" ?
I wasn't sure which thread on Munsnet to use, hope I've picked the right one? You don't seem to have a thread specifically about the effect of lockdowns/ distancing on children?

Over on spinster we talk about how the mask wearing, not being able to have close family contact, or even visit, seeing your grandparents through windows...how all that affects us as women, how zoom school affects teenagers and so on.
But is anyone doing any research into how not seeing relations and friends facial expressions, not being able to hug granny, not bring able to play with next doors kids, is going to affect the under- 5s? The ones who can't understand what it's all for, or why there is the constant talk on tv of doom and death, or why the nursery suddenly closes because one family has Covid 19?
And the extra stress hormones circulating in the mothers body, if, like this mum, they had to go through pregnancy and birth practically alone?
www.uncancelled.co.uk/health/does-my-newborn-have-a-right-to-feel-short-changed/

the point I was addressing, no, it is very unlikely that it will eradicate it. I think it will be around for quite a while and it is likely that the vaccine will end up being part of the annual schedule for vulnerable people.

Wait! You mean to say that all your flummery was because you think the bleedin' obvious? You think what will happen is what PHE, WHO and many thers have been saying since the search for a covid-19 vaccine began?

You think this flu vaccine will be the same as all others?

Oh! OK!!

But is anyone doing any research into how not seeing relations and friends facial expressions, not being able to hug granny, not bring able to play with next doors kids, is going to affect the under- 5s? yes! There was a JVT explanation a couple of weeks ago, iirc.

MentalHealth org; YoungMinds and others have looked at older children

RCPH and DoE looked at 5 - 16 year olds

There is ONS data that includes 5 - 16 year olds with data from quite a few studies.

@CuriousaboutSamphire actually dearie, you were the one who went on a massive rant at me because I pointed out the ‘bleedin’ obvious’ Maybe you should read people’s posts more carefully?

And it’s not a flu vaccine.