They called us but job conspiracy theorists...

[cyclingmad]

But look whats come true now, Wales have introduced a health passport.

When some of us were raising this we were told it won't happen, we are unhinged and conspiracy theorists spouting out rubbish.

Look whose laughing now...welcome to your new normal and it'll be be coming to rest of us too.

Why do you need to prove you had the vaccine? If its an innocent card given to you to remind you then why is the language the health minister us using to say its to prove.. prove to whom? To yourself?"

In my workplace we wear PPE all the time in common areas, we have a myriad of protocols and procedures. If I have the jab and so do all my coworkers, we can all burn our masks and hug each other. I'd rather only do that if we have to prove to our employer that we have.

No one will be excluded, they'll just have to carry on with the protocols.

The kids all have red books listing their vaccinations, my cat has a book listing the vaccinations and I always had to give the date of my daughters last Tetanus jab when she went on a trip away with Brownies. The red book was a bloody lifesaver.

The statement from Vaughn Gething actually says nothing about it being to prove you've had jt. It seems that is "media report" spin.

"Those receiving a COVID-19 vaccination will be given a credit card-sized NHS Wales immunisation card which will have the vaccine name, date of immunisation and batch number of each of the doses given handwritten on them. These will act as a reminder for a second dose and for the type of vaccine, and it will also give information about how to report side effects."

As others have said, many situations arise where you need proof of “stuff”.

Yellow Fever vaccine record for travel to certain countries is probably a good example - and rightly so. This is a GLOBAL pandemic. If it was just the UK suffering this and experiencing the shit show over the last 9 months then I may feel a teeny bit more reticent about things. But this is world wide - there is not a global conspiracy to kill us all off/micro dip us/ etc etc etc. Each country is trying to deal with it (some better than others), but I do not have a problem with proving to another country that I may want to visit that I’ve taken the necessary precautions.

You are within your rights to hold off from vaccinating for a while. But in terms of a global situation, you can’t then be pissed off if there are countries that won’t permit entry. And I know this summary is over simplified, but we’ve got a fair way to go until we know where w3 all stand.

Why do some people have to make everything so difficult? Why can't they think critically? I despair, I really do.

I’ve had yellow fever and chicken pox vaccines, I didn’t get paperwork to go with it.

I just had a flu jab. The doctor gave me a bit of paper that said I'd had a flu jab. The massive fucking prick. I bet he's tracking me now. Pervert.

Bastards short changed me!! I didn't, nor a packet of chocolate buttons because I had been brave!!

I must admit that I must be a lizard people victim too, because I honestly do not see why this is an issue. Nobody is forcing you to be vaccinated, but there are consequences for all decisions we make. There may be requirements for Covid vaccination for travel in the future, which makes sense to me.

I live in a country like Britain with publicly funded and universal healthcare. I know they keep my vaccination records and I am happy they do. I have travelled quite a bit and many countries require vaccination for certain diseases. There are valid public health reasons for the requirements in most cases.

If you don't have the vaccination, you can't enter the country. Simple. If you are not willing to have the vaccination no one forces you.

@Suzi888

I’ve had yellow fever and chicken pox vaccines, I didn’t get paperwork to go with it.

Did you go to some shonky, back street vaccinator? Because that shot is expensive, I'd better have proof for Zanzibar (other yellow fever destinations are available).

So the OP was quoting a media story instead of the issued government statement.
The card is handwritten. Hardly "a passport".

@DianaT1969

So the OP was quoting a media story instead of the issued government statement. The card is handwritten. Hardly "a passport".

Yes! And ignoring the inconvenient truth that many other vaccines are recorded in exactly the same way for exactly the same reasons.

And you need that yellow card to travel to many places across the world. That's before covid, for decades!

So fucking annoying when the truth is utterly ignored for the sake of a lying, scaremongering, semi-literate take on the facts!

I think it is time @MNHQ took a bit of responsibility about the shite being peddled about the vaccine. A sticky on the coronavirus board warning about misinformation would be a start.

@pinkearedcow

I think it is time *@MNHQ* took a bit of responsibility about the shite being peddled about the vaccine. A sticky on the coronavirus board warning about misinformation would be a start.

Agree. Hopefully they’ll receive some campaign information which they can put up.

A lot of stuff is damaging.

Yes please @MNHQ

BJ has said he will be doing something about such misinformation. When you get a copy of it, or make your own, can you sticky it and let us know precisely how to report such idiocy?

I think it's fair enough for next year only so things can be opened back up without causing major spikes.

@CuriousaboutSamphire
@pinkearedcow
@MarshaBradyo

I've already said this.

If there is a fact or real possibility of something happening that is scary, and someone articulates that fear, expresses concern and starts a thread about that issue, why is this labelled as 'scaremongering'?

Most posters are quoting newspaper articles, research papers, company websites, etc. Who can decree that this is misinformation and should be censored? Why are you so adamant that concerns are shouted down?

On every thread that is started with valid concerns about these new Covid vaccines there seems to be people trying to report them and getting them deleted.

Ok @cyclingmad I'm confused, to what end do you think they are keeping records of vaccinations and asking you to be able show you have had this done?

If there is a fact or real possibility of something happening that is scary, and someone articulates that fear, expresses concern and starts a thread about that issue, why is this labelled as 'scaremongering'? It is the statement of facts that are not actually facts but are a bastardisation of them that is scaremeongering! See the "So vaccines are going to be compulsory" thread

Most posters are quoting newspaper articles, research papers, company websites, etc. Who can decree that this is misinformation and should be censored? Why are you so adamant that concerns are shouted down? Decree Do you mean state a fact? Or an opinion? Is it only those you disagree wth that are decrees ?

Many of 'us' are trying to point out wehre the wording got changed, where the twisting occurred, where the media, social media outlets and fear mangled any original message! See the term "health passport" and the reality - inclusion on the yellow card.

On every thread that is started with valid concerns about these new Covid vaccines there seems to be people trying to report them and getting them deleted. Valid concerns or misinformation? This one = misinformation. OP is making her case based on misinformation. Again see "health passport" and yellow card.

There are many instances of this all over the media and socal media, here on MN included. It is irresponsible not to challenge it when seen.

It may be even more so if the deliberate misinformation we see in the media, like OPs source, continues and has a negative impact on the uptake of vaccines and leads to more people becoming ill or dying. And it is deliberate. If you go to the original data source you can easily see where words are changed to have more of an emotional impact. THAT is utterly irresponsible journalism and should be challenged.

I have been saying that for years!

We REALLY don't need another Wakefield!

@trulydelicious

I have no problems with valid concerns being expressed, it's the scaremongering and the links to dodgy websites, youtubes, wilful misinterpretation of information etc. See the “but jobs” thread as a prime example of the latter where apparently us Welsh people are going to have to have health passports (not true).

All we are asking is that @MNHQ makes a sticky warning that some people are deliberately scaremongering and to provide some links to reputable sources of information.

We REALLY don't need another Wakefield!

Exactly. We are in the middle of the biggest health emergency any of us have ever known. Spreading disinformation is not just a bit of malicious fun, it is downright dangerous.

@pinkearedcow

We REALLY don't need another Wakefield!

Exactly. We are in the middle of the biggest health emergency any of us have ever known. Spreading disinformation is not just a bit of malicious fun, it is downright dangerous.

Absolutely

There’s another thread ‘proud to be British’ some responses are absolute rubbish.

I hope MNhq get on to it quickly. Although I don’t think tagging reaches them probably need a site stuff one it report post with the suggestion.

@TheClaws

Why do some people have to make everything so difficult? Why can't they think critically? I despair, I really do.

In my kinder moments I can completely see the link between the enormity of the situation and peoples overwhelming need to cling on to any kind of control that facilitates their ability to cope.

In my increasingly irritated moments it’s people who don’t seem to have any idea that they (and 99% of people, myself included) don’t have a clue about what they’re talking about and it don’t appreciate that it’s pure luck we live in an age where our own stupidity is unlikely to darwin us out of existence through other peoples hard work and knowledge.

Future psychological studies will be interesting.

Spreading disinformation is not just a bit of malicious fun, it is downright dangerous

I don’t think it’s objective is about fun, I think it’s arrogance. Some people just don’t like being told they don’t understand something and go on the defensive to prove the opposite is true so they don’t feel stupid.

You have to prove you've had any vaccination in certain circumstances.
In health care we have to prove we've had vaccinations prior to being able to work, babies and children often need to give information regarding vaccinations to schools and when going on school trips.
You need proof of vaccination of various things before travelling to certain countries. It's hardly a new concept.

@Ellapaella

You have to prove you've had any vaccination in certain circumstances. In health care we have to prove we've had vaccinations prior to being able to work, babies and children often need to give information regarding vaccinations to schools and when going on school trips. You need proof of vaccination of various things before travelling to certain countries. It's hardly a new concept.

I wouldn't bother Ella

OP has been told that few times here already.. and chooses to continue posting as though it hasn't been said.

The only comment is that she had a flu vaccine and didn't get a card Deliberate misunderstanding, possibly!