They called us but job conspiracy theorists...

[cyclingmad]

But look whats come true now, Wales have introduced a health passport.

When some of us were raising this we were told it won't happen, we are unhinged and conspiracy theorists spouting out rubbish.

Look whose laughing now...welcome to your new normal and it'll be be coming to rest of us too.

@TragedyHands

I know. I've a few friends who are looking sheepish when I remind them what is actually happening, after they called me a tin hat conspiracist.

Same here.

There’s a big difference with this vaccine in that most of us won’t suffer badly with covid anyway.

I bet a lot of the people desperate for a covid jab have never had the pneumonia one, and certainly many friends have never had the flu one.

Its not media spin its what he said.

And I haven't had a flu vaccination, never have, I don't need one thank you as I haven't had the flu in over a decade so I dont feel the need to be vaccinated for it.

I'm not ignoring the fact vaccinations are recorded but I never walked in and had anyone day here is proof of your vaccination.

If the police or government do follow up on anti-vax campaigns, I second the suggestion that @MNHQ make available the IP addresses and emails of people posting dangerous misinformation on here. It's usually in the guise of this one, "Let me start by saying I have had all my injections and am not an "anti-vaxer...." followed by anti-vax nonsense, bending facts, wild speculation and claims and deliberately trying to fuel anxiety in people who may already be adversely affected in MH by the lockdowns and pandemic.
Freedom of speech shouldn't be allowed to cause unnecessary illness and deaths.

@DianaT1969

If the police or government do follow up on anti-vax campaigns, I second the suggestion that *@MNHQ* make available the IP addresses and emails of people posting dangerous misinformation on here. It's usually in the guise of this one, "Let me start by saying I have had all my injections and am not an "anti-vaxer...." followed by anti-vax nonsense, bending facts, wild speculation and claims and deliberately trying to fuel anxiety in people who may already be adversely affected in MH by the lockdowns and pandemic. Freedom of speech shouldn't be allowed to cause unnecessary illness and deaths.

What do you think about Boris Johnson claiming “we never told schools to close”?

My father was a doctor. I’ve seen many sides of this stuff. Currently my uncle is so heavily medicated after a minor heart attack, he’s a shadow of his former self and needs a carer. Sadly he insists on listening to his doctors. I think it’s a crime what they’ve done to him.

Coming on here starting a thread that those who called us fon hat conspiracy theorists is not an anti vax campaign.

I'm hardly antix vac if I've had vaccinations myself.

I'm not here telling people not to get the vaccination, people can do what they like

@cyclingmad

Coming on here starting a thread that those who called us fon hat conspiracy theorists is not an anti vax campaign.

I'm hardly antix vac if I've had vaccinations myself.

I'm not here telling people not to get the vaccination, people can do what they like

Exactly.

@cyclingmad

Its not media spin its what he said.

And I haven't had a flu vaccination, never have, I don't need one thank you as I haven't had the flu in over a decade so I dont feel the need to be vaccinated for it.

I'm not ignoring the fact vaccinations are recorded but I never walked in and had anyone day here is proof of your vaccination.

Op do you not have red books? (If you have dc)

Each time a record of the vaccination is added

The main issue is the booster and people needing to be aware of when it is

Also with potentially different vaccines they need to know which one they had

Taking your own personal record of that is useful

Its not media spin its what he said. Show me where!

I can see it being reported that he had spoken. But all mentions of passport are in quotes... he said ID style cards, details to include date, type and follow up date.

The Goviot immediately rephrased it, The Mirror et all jumped aboard!

My apologies if I mistook the words of another poster for yours! I am on my phone, don't get the coloured posts so could easly have mistaken it!

I'm not ignoring the fact vaccinations are recorded but I never walked in and had anyone day here is proof of your vaccination Have you never been abroad outside the EU? The Yellow Card / Card Jeune is an international thing, WHO issue it! It has a mandatory and a recommended list of vaccines for various countries.

If you have never been outside the EU then you won't have needed one. As has been said a few times here and the other thread about vaccines becoming mandatory!

Yeah I've travelled outside the EU and never been asked.

And back to misinformation theb we should send the police over the ministers cos you have the minister heading up the vaccine programme stating we need vaccine passports and thebmn Michael government saying its not happening.

Go figure even governmenf are at odds so who is spreading misinformation then?

I’ve travelled loads and haven’t been asked for a vaccination card. Iirc there was a vaccine we were advised to get when we were going to Thailand but we didn’t have to prove we had it.

It does seem a bit unusual given that adults don’t tend to get vaccine records for other things like flu etc. I suppose the concern is that people could now request proof that you’ve been vaccinated before you can do things - not taking into consideration that you might be immune without having the vaccine or that you might not be immune despite having the vaccine. Seems a bit pointless really.

It’s the booster timing and to make sure you have the right one. Flu isn’t an issue for either problem. And records are kept for childhood ones.

I’ve had vaccines for Thailand. I had to have them otherwise couldn’t go but can recall how I proved I had.

If you actually move overseas you will probably need one

It is strongly advised for expats who will be engaging with health services abroad for care other than the sort of emergency care you might need on holiday, and the internationally acceptable Yellow Book is definitely worth it for Yellow fever and rabies pre-exposure shits (plus remembering when you last had what

@cyclingmad

Yeah I've travelled outside the EU and never been asked.

And back to misinformation theb we should send the police over the ministers cos you have the minister heading up the vaccine programme stating we need vaccine passports and thebmn Michael government saying its not happening.

Go figure even governmenf are at odds so who is spreading misinformation then?

Which countries? It's easy to Google...

And again, show me where a minister has said "We need a vaccination passport"

The Goviot said "We have no plans for an immunity passport" - OK, he lies as easily as he breathes, but that is the general message being given!

Nadhim Zahawi said that such a thing had been discussed, obviously! That the technology is being looked at

Baroness Harding has said that a one stop shop to see who has had what would be good - like PatientAccess but better!

None of which are 'health passports!

Until the WHO adds covid19 to its manadatory list of yellow card vaccines there won't be such a thing. Though airlines etc can and will ask for proof of vaccination... which is where all of this really does need to be looked at so we all know where we stand!

OP, your posts about ministers doesn't make any sense. They aren't trying to whip up a panic about the vaccine and exploit people who already have general anxiety or health anxiety.
Why would they be lumped in with anti-vaxxers spreading misinformation on social media?
Speculating on policy, or how access to large events and overseas flights is going to be managed is just normal discussion in a democracy.

@MarshaBradyo

It’s the booster timing and to make sure you have the right one. Flu isn’t an issue for either problem. And records are kept for childhood ones.

I’ve had vaccines for Thailand. I had to have them otherwise couldn’t go but can recall how I proved I had.

Thats because they are only recommended, not mandatory for UK citizens going to Thailand!

If you went to Nigeria last year you would have to produce a yellow card for Yellow Fever... it is now mandatory for all foreign nationals!

@pinkearedcow

I think it is time *@MNHQ* took a bit of responsibility about the shite being peddled about the vaccine. A sticky on the coronavirus board warning about misinformation would be a start.

Completely agree

Sorry @MarshaBradyo I think that lost a sentence. I hope you got the gist!

You probably got a card, number to enter into your application to travel. That's all DH had, and then he carried the card with him in his wallet.

I don’t really understand what case you’re trying to make op. Nor can I see the issue with saying you will get a card to show you’ve been vaccinated, as you are with many vaccines.

Due to the impact of Covid being able to prove you’re free is a huge benefit to life going on as normal.

It does sound like you’re spinning on your axis here trying to build some sort of weird issue out of this?

@DianaT1969

OP, your posts about ministers doesn't make any sense. They aren't trying to whip up a panic about the vaccine and exploit people who already have general anxiety or health anxiety. Why would they be lumped in with anti-vaxxers spreading misinformation on social media? Speculating on policy, or how access to large events and overseas flights is going to be managed is just normal discussion in a democracy.

It would be a lot easier to say they’re not trying to spread panic if it wasn’t in the SAGE minutes.

Can I just say, that as I'm planning to have the vaccine (no shit Sherlock, it's a nasty virus and I don't want it), I would happily carry a "vaccine passport".
I want to access large events, flights, other countries. I want to access healthcare.
I show my current passport and driver's license when necessary. It hasn't felt like an erosion of my civil liberties to do so.
OP, do you have a UK passport and driver's license? How about a National Insurance card? Would you have carried and E111 card in Europe before they became defunct? How does that sit with you?
They aren't compulsory. But many people get them.

Oh, and isn’t the constant “don’t kill granny” “act as if you’ve got it” still going on?

@AcornAutumn - I'm not a fan of the current government. The OP tried to switch the spotlight of misinformation to ministers. They are just discussing policy and options.
I have no time for anti-vaxxers users social media to spread fear. If they don't want the vaccine, that's their personal choice.

Re suspicion of ministers

The vax one had to be silenced quickly

We won’t know if he was floating a balloon, as has happened so often in this lockdown

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/30/pubs-and-cinemas-may-turn-away-people-not-covid-vaccinated-says-minister

It would be a lot easier to say they’re not trying to spread panic if it wasn’t in the SAGE minutes.

What specifically do you mean @AcornAutumn? Do you mean the discussions in SAGE/ COBR meetings that debate the need for them; how to make them etc?

That's been going on since the beginning of the first lockdown... it has to be discussed. There has to have been some investigation nto how it could be done if it were to be deemed necessary! That's you know, being prepared! The very thing they were blamed for not doing earlier this year!