So the vaccine is going to be compulsory then?

[Gigheimer]

There was a thread ages ago about the fact people were being tin foil hat about a vaccine being compulsory.

Latest news out they are considering “vaccine passports”, which lets face it, on our news cycle throughout this entire thing it’s been ... prepare them gently with maybes, odd leak here or there, test the messaging, oh look the guesses were right

So no one is going to pin anyone down and spear them, but it’s basically the same thing. If you can’t enter a shop/leisure/work place domestically without a vaccine. It’s fucking compulsory.

Where did free will go? Where did vaccine uptake because we have trust go? I’m not anti-vaccine, had them all, even TB. But this isn’t on I terms of civil liberties. Does no one else feel concern at a general use of this crisis into nanny state?

It doesn't make sense to me. If all your staff has had the vaccine, why worry if some customers haven't? The only people at risk will be other customers who also have not had it. Their risk to take I'd say.

In all fairness Max I think you should/could be exempted for medical reasons. There will be people like you who have adverse reactions to vaccines or meds, your neurological conditions must be on record, and there will be some of the population who fall into the category of being unable to be vaccinated.
It is a bit different to just choosing not to have it.
I hope it all works in your favour

Why do people keep referring to Thalidomide? That was a drug.

A vaccine is not a drug. It does not have the side effects of a drug.

In simple terms, it's a dead or weakened microbe attached to an inactive protein. Your body then develops a natural immune response.

I'm amazed people would rather expose themselves to corona virus.

I agree OP. The people who are calling you an anti-vaxxer are doing it as a cope to not have to acknowledge the valid points you are raising. Who listens to crazies, right?

Surely there'd have to be a system for exemptions, as otherwise in many cases it would be disability discrimination?

mopphead, because vaccine isn't 100% effective? So if the vaccine is 90% effective, there are 10% of people may still get it. If everyone is vaccinated, it will decrease the chance of those 10% getting it. That's what I understand.

Haven’t read the whole thread, but the Guardian reports this morning that the government aren’t considering ‘vaccine passports’

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/01/no-plan-for-covid-vaccine-passports-in-uk-says-michael-gove

However, if any privately run business decide to ask for proof of vaccination to enter, I think they’re in their own right to do so.

[quote trulydelicious]@TibetanTerrier

Likewise the 1976 swine 'flu jab also created problems for many, many receivers.

How about Pandemrix? That was a new vaccine approved by the EU in 2009. I suppose you will say that the UK Narcolepsy society are also conspiracy theorists?

www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy[/quote]
Why would I say that as I haven't suggested anybody is a conspiracy theorist? I was responding to someone's comment on the 1976 American swine flu vaccine, and pointing out that later research showed that the concerns about the vaccine at the time were unfounded. If I see untrue information being posted about anything I will correct it.

Because reading that we're selfish and should be excluded from normal life, or what few parts of it we do manage to enjoy, is very hurtful and very frightening.

Funny - that's exactly how I felt about everyone who said, "Enough restrictions - we need to get back to normal. Anyone who's scared of the virus can just stay inside". Willing to bet there's a strong correlation between that group of people and those who are now protesting about "compulsory" vaccines!

That said, @MaxNormal, I'd think your background would be a very valid exemption on medical grounds. Since you're not seeing your consultant for a while, can you speak to your GP for some reassurance about it? Perhaps when a bit more is known about this scheme.

The likes of oz and New Zealand are not going to be letting people in without a vaccine and why should be who refuse the vaccine continue for how many years to put the NHS under pressure?

And I agree, let's all start smoking on buses again and pubs and restaurants, drink drive, fuck wearing a seat belt.

You dont have to have the vaccine and that is your choice but people cant be at fault for wanting to protect their business and staff and customers etc.

How have the UK lost their measles free status? Sheerly due to absolute thick cunts spouting shit on Social media!

However, if any privately run business decide to ask for proof of vaccination to enter, I think they’re in their own right to do so.

I think so too, as long as they have a system for exemptions, as surely it's not legal to refuse entry to people with specific disabilities that mean they can't have the vaccine and pregnant women?

However, if any privately run business decide to ask for proof of vaccination to enter, I think they’re in their own right to do so.

If the government has no plans to issue official proof of vaccination how would that possibly work?

Vacine - 90% effective, human immune system 99% effective.

Why on earth would you not want it, it is absolutely ridiculous. You prefer to put your own, and others health at risk, as it’s your freedom. Deary me.

@doublehalo

What the hell are you on about . The vaccine stops you getting it in the first place so the 1% don’t die . That would be 70000000 x 1% in this country if we all got it . Is maths not your strong subject ?

It's simple your choice to refuse the vaccine
Other people's choice to refuse you admittance
How they choose to handle those with genuine medical reasons why they can't have the vaccine is again up to them.

It won't be compulsory. The government has categorically stated this. No vaccine has ever been compulsory in the U.K.
To do so would cause mayhem, more people would be up in arms about their " civil liberties " and it would do more harm.
The government need to provide more information from the correct and safe channels, discourage anti-vaccine bampots, They have to trust the population to do their own risk assessments, and hope they get a high compliance rate.

Over time, Covid will become less of an issue anyway, natural burn out, vaccines, better treatments, better personal hygiene, and increased public awareness and safety measures. It's all good. We won't all need to show vaccine passports.

Other countries, I'm not so sure. I suspect other countries/airlines might possibly require proof of vaccine before travel, as happens already in some regions. But that won't last forever.
In order to work in my speciality within healthcare, we need to have proof of vaccination status, hep B and BCG both being compulsory, always have been.
I imagine, not straight away, but with time, the Covid vaccine could be added to the schedule.
I'm currently training up and researching vaccines in order to help with the mass Covid vaccination schedule soon to be implemented. I've had an opportunity to read more about previous vaccine health scares, controversies, in depth analysis of vaccine preventable infectious diseases. I've seen government figures on vaccine uptake, on annual case numbers from all notifiable diseases etc. It's really fascinating. My conclusion? My sleeve is already rolled up.

In the last 39 years there have been 936 claims for vaccine damage payments. That's about 24 a year.

fullfact.org/online/vaccine-damage-fund/

@Ugzbugz

They are not the brightest are they .

I knew someone with polio and it was devastating. People have short memories.

@BlueBrian, I don’t have an answer for that.

I’m guessing there will be a record somewhere of who is vaccinated or you can ask your GP for proof?

Probably, even if businesses weren’t asking for it, some countries might do in order to let you enter, so a way to prove it will have to be found.

@Tootsietoot

You are talking scaremongering bollocks.

This.

@BlueBrian

However, if any privately run business decide to ask for proof of vaccination to enter, I think they’re in their own right to do so.

If the government has no plans to issue official proof of vaccination how would that possibly work?

Actually that's a very good point. Being upfront I am VERY pro vaccine and am very happy to have it, my children to have it, to get repeat doses if it's an annual thing etc. I also agree that if a business/country etc wants to ask for proof of it for entry then I'm ok with that - I travel a lot for work (or... I did...) and have frequently had to provide proof of vaccinations for Yellow Fever etc.

We'd have to be careful that for a system like that to work that it didn't mean everyone had to vaccinated privately so that they could prove it though. And there should be exceptions for those who cannot be immunised for health reasons, absolutely without question - I mean, that's why we get immunised right, to provide herd immunity and protect the vulnerable?

There will have to be some kind of vaccination certificate for it if it's going to be asked for, though.

@Enrosadira THIS! You're so right. We're not free! I can't pick up my kids from school and flash my tits at the headmaster. I can't call a copper a cunt. I can't drive 180 on the motorway. I can't have a shit in the park. I don't get why everyone is on about civil liberties all the time. We live in a society where we have to do certain things for the good of the community. We have to abide by laws. Vaccines are already compulsory in France (if you want to put your child in school - you could always home school). I don't feel any less free here. I think a vaccine passport is perfectly acceptable. Bring it on. I can see that there's a difference in that they'd be asking us to physically DO something to our bodies, rather than NOT do a specific behaviour. But, I don't see how we're going to get out of this unless at least 60% of people are vaccinated.