Can you eat at a restaurant in another tier?

[Davespecifico]

I can’t find an answer to this online. If for example, you live in a tier 3 area, could you eat out in a tier 2 area.
I know travel from tier to tier unless travelling through, is strongly discouraged, but from what I’ve read, not banned entirely. So, is eating out in another tier discouraged or banned?

Loving the revolt on this thread. Wish there was more and we could kiss goodbye to the ridiculous rules.

@userxx

Blimey the drama on these threads about going for a meal, why would anyone ask the crackpots on here for advice

Exactly, the hysteria is still alive and kicking. The only advice I need is do I go for the garlic mushrooms or the Camembert 🤷‍♂️

@Frazzled2207

Not supposed to but I previously did it. The restaurants don’t care. FWIW my area is tier 3 but a mile away is higher cases yet tier 2.

Yes, because there are FIVE criteria not 1.

@Davespecifico

EatDessertFirst - I was asking about distinctions between rules and recommendations. I don’t yet know if there is a rule about eating out in another tier. If there isn’t, I won’t be breaking any rules by eating out in another tier.

Does there have to be a law fir you to do the right thing!

It has been all over the news that you take your tier with you! So if you can't do it in your tier you don't go & do it in another tier. Not even if you're in that tier to work.

@LondonlovesLola

I am allowed to share all my tier 3 germs to the hundreds of tier 2 children I teach each week (I live in tier 3 and work in tier 2) but I am not allowed to go out or eat in a restaurant in that area. Ok.

Keeping the schools open & business open is part of the balancing act. In order to do that other things have to stop

How much clearer can they make that?

If they closed the schools we'd all be better off (Covid wise)

Schools being open is NOT an excuse to do what the hell else you want.

I would close schools if it was up to me.

But the balancing act isn’t working.

I still think Sweden had the right idea.

Yes their death rate was huge initially but as time has gone on the death rate in other countries are over taking it.

We locked down and now have 100’s dying each day. Italy and Spain had harsher lockdowns they have even more deaths whilst multiplying deaths up by 6 or 7 to just get a similar view of population to ours then Sweden’s daily death rate is still closer to single or double figures.

To me that just says the harsher the lockdown the higher the deaths

And Sweden didn’t do its best to bankrupt the economy.

Whilst Sweden has areas of the country with little to no people the majority of the population is centred around Stockholm which has a population per square km of about 900 people less than London.

Sweden bringing in some more regulations now going into winter then people are a lot more likely to oblige than what we have now is people just finding lockdown a pain and ignoring all the rules.

I wonder how many less people would have died if we had just carried on and wore masks, SD and wfh where possible and gone about things as business as usual

I mean we weren’t exactly over run if the Nightingale hospitals that were set up to deal with this virus were hardly used.
(Someone I know worked in one and they didn’t really have anything to do)

Jesus someone still quoting Sweden and the nightingale hospitals

How do people on here happen to know 7 people who all died of or have 'long Covid' now, or know exactly how many beds their local hospital has ?

Jesus someone still quoting Sweden and the nightingale hospitals

Why not mention them. It is relevant.

Legislation had been published now - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/made?utmsource=hootsuite&utmmmedium=social&utmcampaign=post

In terms of going for meal in tier 2 when you live in tier 3, in order to avoid breaking the law and being eligible for a fixed penalty notice you would need to go alone.

Participation in gatherings in private dwellings and other indoor spaces

1.(1) No person may participate in a gathering in the Tier 3 area which
(a)consists of two or more people, and
(b)takes place in a private dwelling or in any indoor space.
(2) No person living in the Tier 3 area may participate in a gathering outside that area which—
(a)consists of two or more people, and
(b)takes place in a private dwelling or in any indoor space.
(3) Sub-paragraphs (1) and (2) do not apply if any of the exceptions set out in paragraph 4 or 5 applies.
(4) For the purposes of this Part of this Schedule, a gathering takes place in the Tier 3 area if any part of the place where it takes place is in the Tier 3 area.

A gathering is defined as:

(e)a gathering takes place when two or more persons are present together in the same place in order—
(i)to engage in any form of social interaction with each other, or
(ii)to undertake any other activity with each other;

As per paragraph 1(3) exemptions apply, the first one is:

General exceptions in relation to gatherings
4.—(1) These are the exceptions referred to in paragraphs 1, 2 and 3(5)(c).

Exception 1: same or linked households
(2) Exception 1 is that all the people in the gathering—

(a)are members of the same household (or are treated as members of the same household in accordance with these Regulations), or
(b)are members of two households which are linked households in relation to each other.

So...it's legal to take your household from tier 3 to a restaurant in tier 2? Provided it's only your household?

I think so. I'm not a lawyer though. Lots of other exemptions as well, but this one seems to apply here.

Said it’s legal all along. Just not advised. You know, to try to stop the spread of the virus ???

The important thing is whether it is legal or not which it seems it is, opinions of anonymous randoms on the internet as to whether they think you should do something or not are not really relevant.

Does it matter if legal or not? No one is policing you

Police really are busy doing other things
Restaurants need the money
Just use common sense
Many tier 2 have higher cases than some tier 3.
So many over thinking it

Just use common sense? That would be to obviously not travel from tier 3 to tier 2 just for the fun of it! Because, you know, tier 3 is where it is spreading. I live in tier 3 and have to travel to tier 2. I won’t be taking my household as they are attending school in my part of tier 3 where it is rife at present - and we really don’t need a 30 mile journey just for a meal. If you are desperate for restaurant food then order a takeaway.

But common sense doesn’t come into it.

If you can travel from tier 3 to tier 2. Work alongside your colleagues all day. Why wouldn’t you be able to have a drink or meal with them after work.
If you are in tier 3 and work in tier 2 in retail. Why wouldn’t you be able to go to a shop in tier 2

@catspyjamas123 I'm in tier 3 in an area with a very low rate, the pub that I'm going to is in tier 2, it's under 2 miles away. One size doesn’t fit all.

@Oliversmumsarmy

But common sense doesn’t come into it.

If you can travel from tier 3 to tier 2. Work alongside your colleagues all day. Why wouldn’t you be able to have a drink or meal with them after work.
If you are in tier 3 and work in tier 2 in retail. Why wouldn’t you be able to go to a shop in tier 2

See all the many many times above that people have explained about the difference between work and leisure And the many times about reducing the number of people you are exposed to and the frequency and duration. And you're not helping tier 2 businesses out if you turn their area into tier 3

But if you are working in the shop all day why can’t you buy from that shop.

How is that going to raise infection rates

You didn't say that you said you were going for a meal after work and going to a shop not the one you work in

Do you not get the whole point of this set of actions is to assume that you are infectious and to minimize the number of people you pass it on to?

But the majority of the public aren’t infectious.

I think you will find most people didn’t know they were supposed to act like they were infectious.

If what you are doing carries practically no additional risk then what the hell. So yeah, if you are working in a shop in tier 2 and you then linger for five additional minutes to buy a handbag for your mum for Christmas with your mask on and your hands sanitised then knock yourself out. Likewise if you want to drive five minutes from the western edge of Kent to walk the dog alone on a deserted East Sussex beach then I for one am not going to play the “but what if your car breaks down and you have to be rescued by an AA patrol man from East Sussex who lives with his elderly diabetic mum?” game.

However making a trip to the pub, which carries actual additional risk to society, does not magically become acceptable just because you drove across the tier boundary to go to work that morning.