To be weary of the vaccines?

[PunkyPirate]

Will you be getting it?

Will you be allowing your children to get it?

I'm curious to peoples responses as my social media seems to be full of posts from people mocking those who will get the vaccine.

I'm by no means an anti Vaxer. Myself and my children have had all vaccinations and have the flu jab yearly. My only worry is that not enough is known about the long term side effects.

I won't be getting it, as I would rather catch Covid and get some natural immunity. I'd probably feel rotten for some time with Covid (underlying conditions), but I'm just not that bothered.

I'm more bothered by lockdowns than I am by Covid.

@Whatwouldscullydo

I won't be getting it

We won't know for years if its effective or safe . Politicians free to experiment on themselves if they wish to attempt to set an example

@TheRealJeanLouise

I mean the people developing these vaccines would have only had the education of about 2 years degree, another 2 or 3 for a specialist masters, another 3 for a PhD in the subject and then almost a lifetimes experience of working on these things but yeah, you’re definitely doing the right thing by making decisions about your health based on the thoughts of randomers on the internet.

Yup. What do immunologists, epidemiologists, doctors and public health experts know anyway? Whereas, stuff on Facebook, well that's where to find guidance

But happy to pass it on to someone who may not, if you were to get infected?

What if whatever vaccine they roll out doesn't actually reduce transmission, just stops the infected person getting sick from the virus? This isn't yet known for any of the major candidates.

Hmm.. first which vaccine? Will we get the differences between them explained to us, will we have a choice in which we take? Secondly I have read that One if the manufacturers are asking women to sign a waiver before taking the vaccine, agreeing that if you are pregnant or planning on becoming so within 2 years of having the vaccine, they accept no liability should your child be born with a defect. I think I’m going have to take my time and do as much research as I can before making my decision.

@Givemeabreak88

I couldn’t care less if people think I’m selfish, I’m not touching any COVID vaccine, I only see people so for it on Mumsnet. Most people irl aren’t happy to take it.

Except polling shows most people are (85% would in the UK).

I'll be getting it. It isnt completely brand new, as I understand, it has been adapted from an existing vaccine for SARS. Even if it was, I'd still have it. Yes we don't know the long term effects but we've seen the short and medium term effects of covid and long term isn't looking much better. I'll take my chances with the vaccine.

I imagine a lot of the refusers will change their minds if they're unable to get travel insurance.

This will be a novel vaccine and the impact on inflammation and the risks of autoimmune disease remain unclear. It will not be clear until the vaccine has been in the population for a few years whether it increases the risks of developing autoimmune issues. These diseases are complex and the root causes are much debated, it will not be an easy link to prove or disprove. I have only posted two links but there are lots of articles written about this.

www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4347/rapid-responses
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine

The ill-educated won’t get it.

The educated will as they will be able to look up and see exactly what processes have been followed and realise that it’s the same one as usual, just without the gaps whilst funding, admin etc is performed.

It’s a Darwinian thing.

If you’re not a twat (or obviously have a specific medical condition which makes vaccines problematic) the you’ll get the vaccine.

It's quick because

1. Much of the technology and large chunks of the vaccine have been tested already
2. They overlapped all the steps at speed. This usually doesn't happen because of the financial risk, but they've been given massive resource... It's the same rigerous safety standards as any other vaccines.

Long term side effects (ie ones that turn up two yrs after getting the jab) are exceptionally rare in vaccines. New vaccines are not like testing new drugs (the example people give is often thalidomide). Vaccines are modelled to be like naturally occuring stuff (virus parts) so as to trigger an immune response. Not like novel drugs that would never normally get in the body. That's why vaccines are very different to other drug trials. The side effects (if any) of vaccines have been picked up within weeks.

I'll be getting it because I'm scientifically literate, understand how this stuff works (lucky me- stem degree and doctorate). I'm not an anxious type nor a conspiracy theorist. Plus I work in the NHS and see it as my responsibilitiy ( you need a certain amount of the population to take up a vaccine for it to be effective at a population level.
I don't however wish to diminish people's concerns and I have every empathy wth people's anxieties. We as a society got ourselves into this position where science and the establishment is not to be trusted over a long time. Our leaders (medical, scientific and moral) and politicians have not done the right thing by the majority of people for a long time. No wonder people have no faith in them now....

I honestly despair of mankind I really do.

Knowing the limits of your own knowledge is one of the most intelligent things you can do. Yet suddenly everyone knows best because if "seems a bit rushed". Can people hear themselves?!

There is a reason there are people whose job it is to access the efficacy and safety of drugs and vaccines, because it requires a skill set that 99.9% of the population simply do not possess. I don't possess them either. I like to research and I've watched all the podcasts and webinars Sarah Gilbert has done which explain all of the processes very clearly but at the end of the day I'm not an expert in this.

I find this on mass "rejection of the experts" bullshit terrifying. It's generally driven by people who have their own agenda (Trump, I'm looking at you) and want to obscure facts and deny people access to understanding by persuading them that the very people who have spent years training to be the best they can be at working all this stuff out secretly have some sort of malign motivation behind their advice.

Why? Why would people do that? All of them? Why would Sarah Gilbert (for example) test the vaccine in her own children if there was genuine concern about safety?

Yes, I will be having whichever vaccine it is recommended that I have by the appropriate licensing and health professionals. You know, the people who actually have a fucking clue what they're talking about.

long term side affects aren't known for any vaccines really though are they. yes you might get a couple of years more knowledge but not properly long term. they're just continually monitored whilst everyone is using it and 20 years down the line if issues pop up, the pull the drug. so this won't be much different

If that's true (which it appears to be, based on a quick google, but I may be wrong) then actually I think it is quite different. I'm young enough that I've never knowingly had a new (by which I mean less than at least 10 years old) vaccine. If I was offered one, whether it was for covid or anything else, I think I'd be a little hesitant. Certainly much more so than I was about getting a measles vaccine, for example, which has been 'tested' on the public for decades.

I'm wondering if the vaccine is rolled out to amongst those 18 and over what will happen in schools. Will kids still have to isolate in the bubbles if some one tests positive ?

Would I get the Cansino and Sinopharm Chinese vaccines?
No.
Would I get Sputnik V (the Russian one)?
No.
Will I get Pfizer/Biontech, Moderna, Oxford/AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, Sanofi/GSK, etc?
Yes absolutely. They have all gone or are undergoing full safety and efficacy trials. They won't be cleared for mass vaccination if they aren't found to be safe. Anyone who insists that they can't possibly be safe as they have come too fast is a moron who hasn't done their own research into how and why they have been able to come this fast. (People who haven't done this research aren't morons, just people who make assured pronouncements on something they clearly know fuck all about.)

Will my child be getting any of the above vaccines?
No.
Why?

Because he won't be offered one as they haven't been tested on children yet. The only paediatric testing done to date has been Pfizer/Biontech on 12-18 year olds.

I saw today that they are developing one for people with compromised immune systems. If that's the case, I'm definitely having it.

The educated will as they will be able to look up and see exactly what processes have been followed and realise that it’s the same one as usual, just without the gaps whilst funding, admin etc is performed

Yes yes yes we've all read this 100 times now. Anyone who can read the news has read this. So if you're so well educated, can you tell me how long phase III trials for other vaccines usually last, and what is usually the rough period of time between large numbers of test participants receiving a vaccine and it being rolled out to millions of members of the public?

The flu jab is what 40-60 percent effective ? There have been years where effectiveness has been really low as its guess work.

Vaccines aren't always reliable. And its been possible to have things more than once. Eveeyones already killed granny 3 times for going shopping , this vaccine is just the next step in the blame game whoever you end up catching it from , could easily he from someone who has had the vaccine and figured their cough was just part of a cold..

The false sense of security could he more dangerous than not having the vaccine...

I will happily have it. I don't know anyone who is not planning to be vaccinated if its offered but as PP have said, these are people who can make an informed decision about benefit versus risk at the time of approval and aren't relying on SM for (mis)information.

@sausagepastapot

Of course we will be getting it. I really can't understand why anyone wouldn't.

I have been poisoned by 2 prescription drugs and my health I ruined. Chronic fatigue. This is a very good reason not to get it.

No I will not be having it.

@Bookworm65

I saw today that they are developing one for people with compromised immune systems. If that's the case, I'm definitely having it.

Oooh cross post. That sounds positive!

@Christmasfairy2020

I'm wondering if the vaccine is rolled out to amongst those 18 and over what will happen in schools. Will kids still have to isolate in the bubbles if some one tests positive ?

I think that once the vaccine has been rolled out to the over 70s or so, the bubbles stuff in school will go relatively quickly.

We only have to have these measures because of the impact of the disease on the older population. Once they are protected by the vaccine other people getting it is less of an issue.

@ChateauMargaux
She's an anaesthesia specialist writing a letter...
It's like a letter to the times by the right honorary so and so.... It's not her specialist subject or field of expertise. She's speculating, which is fine but it's a bloody great leap unless your an expert to make the assertion she is.

I'm so encouraged to see so many people saying they'll take it. Makes me feel better. I would certainly have it and would go for Novavax currently in stage 3 if at all possible as it has the least side-effects like headache, fever, of all of them so far and also creates highest number of neutralising titres - 18,000 compared to just around 100 for the AstraZeneca jab. AZ may confer other protection and T-cells been shown to be activated whereas not sure these have been looked at in the Novavax vaccine. Biontech and Modern seem to stop the spread of the disease. AZ seems to just stop illness but it's true that the challenge that took place in the macaques was a very very high dose of covid - so perhaps in real life, AZ may also stop spread too. Fingers crossed.