To be weary of the vaccines?

[PunkyPirate]

Will you be getting it?

Will you be allowing your children to get it?

I'm curious to peoples responses as my social media seems to be full of posts from people mocking those who will get the vaccine.

I'm by no means an anti Vaxer. Myself and my children have had all vaccinations and have the flu jab yearly. My only worry is that not enough is known about the long term side effects.

The long term effects of all the vaccines in the world is that the immune system can recognise the particular virus and us trained to defend the body.
So yeah, my child and I will not hesitate for a second.

All those who say that they wont get the vaccine when offered unless it's been in service for a number of years are so selfish. These vaccines are generally modified variations on existing vaccines, as pointed out earlier the flu vaccine is needed vaccine each year.
Yes I will have the vaccine when offered and do will my children. We need a high level of immunity within the population as quickly as possible. We also need to target the rollout to provide the maximum level of protection as early as possible. Will those that want to dither be prepared to continue to reduce their social contact while they make their mind up?

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I couldn’t care less if people think I’m selfish, I’m not touching any COVID vaccine, I only see people so for it on Mumsnet. Most people irl aren’t happy to take it.

I'll be having it as soon as I can - I want my life back. I'm also relatively confident that the process of rolling them out will actually work, as its not being done by a new task force, led by a mate of Boris with absolutely no relevant experience, but is actually being organised by the NHS, with help from the army if necessary.

FFS the reason why we have such stringent safety measures these days is BECAUSE of the thalidomide incident. It was 60 years ago. A tragedy for all those involved, but thankfully our scientific processes have improved somewhat in 60 years!

Nothing to fear? 🤔 pretty sure they said that about thalidomide when administering it to pregnant women!

You are comparing apples with oranges. Thalidomide is not a vaccine and is used these days to treat cancer.

I will have the vaccine. The reason it has been such a quick process is because the developers have been able to build on work already done and because the usual funding difficulties haven't been an issue.

These vaccines are generally modified variations on existing vaccines

Which ones? We don't even know which one the UK gov is going to offer yet, but let's say it's the Pfizer/BioNTech one. What existing vaccine is that a simple variation of?

I respect everyone’s right to make the choice for themselves but I will be having it if it is offered to me.

I'm not getting it. I'm likely to survive covid so need to inject myself with something unnatural.

*no need

@kifomadertonasomc

These vaccines are generally modified variations on existing vaccines

Which ones? We don't even know which one the UK gov is going to offer yet, but let's say it's the Pfizer/BioNTech one. What existing vaccine is that a simple variation of?

The one I'm in the trial for is a modified one. It's not the Pfizer one.

I'll have it for sure.

This is as much testing as any vaccines get; it's just been done in parallel. No waiting time for funding, for approval, for getting volunteers, for resources - everything just happens, at once. Most of the normal 10 years isn't because they are waiting and testing for 10 years. They are waiting for funding or other things instead - nothing is actually happening regarding the vaccine.

What would actually convince people? If you don't trust the scientists now, what could they do that would convince you? if you aren't a scientist, and you just have a feeling that things have been rushed, how will you ever decide that things are good enough? A feeling isn't really enough. You can only really decide by looking at the protocols and the data, and as most people don't have the background to analyse that properly, you have to trust the scientists who do. They don't want to do anything to harm people. they want the best risk/benefit ratio possible. They aren't part of the government.

Side effects will be apparent now. There aren't really going to be long term effects - that's not how vaccines work. There might be very rare side effects that will only be apparent once millions of people have been given it. That would happen with any vaccine, not because this one has been rushed. There is a very small risk of that, but that risk is the same with any vaccine, even those that have been tested for years - you only get that sort of data once you've tried it on millions of people (which shows how rare they are). This could happen after a year or 10 years, depending on the uptake of the vaccine. It really isn't something that is going to apparent just because of the passing of time.

Contrast that with known long-term effects of covid, which seems to be a very real risk. The risk of unknown side effects of a vaccine has to be smaller than that, because if they've not been found in the tens of thousands that have tried it so far, they will be rarer than that. If any unknown effects happen once it's tried in millions of people, they will be extremely rare - i.e., one in millions. That is rarer than the known effects of long covid.

Great post @TagMeQuick - the accelerated process has everything to do with the fact that money has been no object.

I will definitely be getting it when the time comes - I'm not at the head of the queue and, rightly, the more vulnerable should be there first. I'm in NZ and will take whatever version is offered!

@Givemeabreak88

I couldn’t care less if people think I’m selfish, I’m not touching any COVID vaccine, I only see people so for it on Mumsnet. Most people irl aren’t happy to take it.

Not the people I mix with. Who are, to be fair, generally educated people with degrees in science subjects. they are all for the vaccine.

To the people saying you'll pay to jump the queue. It may not be so easy. According to the article I saw/heard on the BBC (can't quite remember where), unless a private company got in on the early orders, it is likely that initially at least, who gets the vaccine will be controlled by nation states, it just won't be available for private purchase.

I'll definitely get it, in a heartbeat.

I'm not getting it. I'm likely to survive covid

But happy to pass it on to someone who may not, if you were to get infected?

Yes, I will be getting it particularly as I am a HCP and need to protect the people I look after.

Would also let DD have it - though as an under 18 she's way down the list!

Pro vax here but yeah. Even I am bit undecided. It seems quite fast development. However, I am nkt a scientist so I can't really say🤷🏻
I am planning on starting to get travel ones and boosters next year, so will probably throw it in.

@Aposterhasnoname - that's teachers teaching our kids in unsafe freezing conditions. Nice.

long term side affects aren't known for any vaccines really though are they. yes you might get a couple of years more knowledge but not properly long term. they're just continually monitored whilst everyone is using it and 20 years down the line if issues pop up, the pull the drug. so this won't be much different.

I do agree with the point made online taht politicians should get first dibs😁 Most are rats anyway so why not lab rats. Good for something 😁

@Spinakker
The point is that the vaccine doesn't only protect you but also the people that you would otherwise infect, some of whom may not be able to take the vaccine.

One of the problems, IMO, is that everyone parrots the same thing as if they're experts. We've all read the same articles that the testing hasn't been rushed, it's just the admin and application/approval stages that usually take longer, trial phases have been conducted in parallel, etc. but you can't actually answer how long-term side-effects are usually identified.

The answer apparently is that it's usually just through mass application?

I still want to know, for past vaccines, what is the period of time between large numbers of test participants receiving the vaccine and it being rolled out to millions of members of the public?