To be weary of the vaccines?

[PunkyPirate]

Will you be getting it?

Will you be allowing your children to get it?

I'm curious to peoples responses as my social media seems to be full of posts from people mocking those who will get the vaccine.

I'm by no means an anti Vaxer. Myself and my children have had all vaccinations and have the flu jab yearly. My only worry is that not enough is known about the long term side effects.

@frumpety. It doesn't take a genius to work out the knock on effects of the pandemic on the NHS. You’d really think so wouldn’t you, but .....

I will be having it, so will DH. If it’s rolled out for children my 11 year old will be having it and I believe my 13 year old who is sensible, mature and intelligent has Gillick competence so I think I d let her decide for herself.

I honestly think that those who refuse to have it are complete idiots. Many of your friends, family and peers will also think you are a complete idiot.

There I said it.

I have done some reading/research into the vaccines,as I would investigate anything Im about to do/take that’s just the way I am.

Firstly, I think to maintain our civil liberties the vaccine should not be made compulsory.

Secondly, I would be wary of having it. The reactogenicity seems to be higher after the second dose (including high temperature, headache, fatigue and severe muscle pain) and is transient. I’m concerned as a hEDS and FM person such a vaccine would add to my conditions. At the moment there is no evidence a mRNA vaccines cause or make autoimmune disease worse-but there isn’t any evidence to say they don’t. All scientists say is “it is theoretically plausible”.
Also as it is not known how frequently a “booster” is needed I would be concerned that subsequent doses would add to the reactogenicity.

I'm not wary of having it. I am weary of all the muppets spouting ignorant crap and consiracy theories.

@Whatwouldscullydo

I won't be getting it

We won't know for years if its effective or safe . Politicians free to experiment on themselves if they wish to attempt to set an example

Ill informed and uneducated bollocks

I’m pretty weary of people asking “Will you have the vaccine?” “Aren’t you worried about such a rushed vaccine?” when there are already approximately a million threads asking the same thing. All the reasonable objections have been answered, e.g.

We won't know for years if its effective or safe.

They are doing trials right now to show how effective it is, in thousands and thousand of people. What are the chances that it will provide 90%+ protection in a group of that size, but when administered to millions, suddenly stop working? That’s right - zero. As for “safe” - no serious adverse effects reported in the Pfizer study, and as has already been explained, if vaccines are going to cause a problem it appears within the first few months. So if it is licensed we will now it is effective and safe, because if it wasn’t, they wouldn’t license it.

Politicians free to experiment on themselves if they wish to attempt to set an example

Jonathan Van Tam was asked if he would have it. Said that is he was allowed to he would be at the front of his queue, but it would be unethical for him to queue jump, so he would wait his turn. However he would advise his mother to have it as soon as offered.

Granted he is a scientist not a politician, but the same logic applies. You should be worried if the politicians get it first, not pleased.

PS, did you know that the three adult children of Sarah Gilbert from the vaccine group all participated in the trial?

You’re talking in riddles about how the government wants to keep us locked down - what exactly would be their reason for this?

Its as I said, even if every person took the vaccine there are still far too many things we can't know right now that means that there is no way they can just say " right that is it now"

When we locked down the first time there was no cure no vaccine and we had been emotionally blackmailed about the nhs. The same nhs that up until now no one had given a crap about. And despite the desperation to cause panic about it, at no point was the nhs over whelmed , in fact so not over whelmed was it that despite the fact we are consistently told nurses don't even have time to pee, and police etc have so little time and resources that days later they still hadn't turned up to investigate break ins, suddenly there was time for dances and tik tok videos.

The nightingale treated what 40 people?

They have traced back the virus til at least January and it could go back even further who knows.

So despite it being here since potentially Xmas when with zero precautions being taken we didn't lock down til.march.

Then even every death was attributed to covid even car accidents, i mean every other disease disappeared. August they had to correct some of the numbers because well they were lies.

Is it really that far fetched to think that if a country is locked down over inflated numbers they even had to admit were wrong when there was clearly no way out of the situation that could be granted in good conciense having spent months emotionally blackmailing people, that there couldn't be something bigger at play?

I mean there was no way these pathetic small plastic screens in shops were going to protect anyone from anything. That wasn't about reducing spread that was about making it look like they were actually doing something.

And now? Well this lockdown isn't much of a lock down and its meant to end in December, what so we can go back to plastic screens and a bottle of anti bac that didnt work the first 2 times but will somehow work now when the first thing people are gonna do is go see there families for Xmas?

So much of it all just didn't make sense or was untrue, but they have certainly achieved getting us used to having our every move restricted or monitored in some way, so much so people gave now turned the anger they had towards the government onto eachother for "rule breaking"

You cant force people to take medication, so, either they are going to have to make it mandatory which is another breach of our rights , something that if they had done back in march befire we had come accustomed to it, would have probably caused riots but now...people seem to be up for it, or we take the blame onto ourselves which absolves the government of all responsibility for their handling and lies.

Personally I think that was the plan all along , get us to a stage where its our fault not theirs.

Its as I said, even if every person took the vaccine there are still far too many things we can't know right now that means that there is no way they can just say " right that is it now"

You seem very convinced of this. Why do you think this?

I dont trust them and wont vaccinate.

@Whatwouldscullydo

You’re talking in riddles about how the government wants to keep us locked down - what exactly would be their reason for this?

Its as I said, even if every person took the vaccine there are still far too many things we can't know right now that means that there is no way they can just say " right that is it now"

When we locked down the first time there was no cure no vaccine and we had been emotionally blackmailed about the nhs. The same nhs that up until now no one had given a crap about. And despite the desperation to cause panic about it, at no point was the nhs over whelmed , in fact so not over whelmed was it that despite the fact we are consistently told nurses don't even have time to pee, and police etc have so little time and resources that days later they still hadn't turned up to investigate break ins, suddenly there was time for dances and tik tok videos.

The nightingale treated what 40 people?

They have traced back the virus til at least January and it could go back even further who knows.

So despite it being here since potentially Xmas when with zero precautions being taken we didn't lock down til.march.

Then even every death was attributed to covid even car accidents, i mean every other disease disappeared. August they had to correct some of the numbers because well they were lies.

Is it really that far fetched to think that if a country is locked down over inflated numbers they even had to admit were wrong when there was clearly no way out of the situation that could be granted in good conciense having spent months emotionally blackmailing people, that there couldn't be something bigger at play?

I mean there was no way these pathetic small plastic screens in shops were going to protect anyone from anything. That wasn't about reducing spread that was about making it look like they were actually doing something.

And now? Well this lockdown isn't much of a lock down and its meant to end in December, what so we can go back to plastic screens and a bottle of anti bac that didnt work the first 2 times but will somehow work now when the first thing people are gonna do is go see there families for Xmas?

So much of it all just didn't make sense or was untrue, but they have certainly achieved getting us used to having our every move restricted or monitored in some way, so much so people gave now turned the anger they had towards the government onto eachother for "rule breaking"

You cant force people to take medication, so, either they are going to have to make it mandatory which is another breach of our rights , something that if they had done back in march befire we had come accustomed to it, would have probably caused riots but now...people seem to be up for it, or we take the blame onto ourselves which absolves the government of all responsibility for their handling and lies.

Personally I think that was the plan all along , get us to a stage where its our fault not theirs.

Jesus. It's scary to think there are people like you who think like this.

Luckily most people are sensible and will have the vaccine, thereby protecting you from covid.

No I will not be taking it and I am pro-vaccination The makers have asked for indemnity so if you get massive side effects tough shit. Covid is very low risk to my family and I won’t risk the vaccine.

@LemonBar

I dont trust them and wont vaccinate.

Selfish attitude. Read up on the science, and I don't mean Facebook shite.

Cos we physically can't know everything..

Its impossible to. We learn new stuff every day about hundreds of things.

At one point, the Americans withdrew the nasal spray for flu ( we didn't) sometimes new things crop up that need looking at .

Those who won't have it = fucking idiots in my book

I am 50 with health probs, according to the list I have seen I should be offered in it the first week of January, BRING IT ON I say!

Had my flu jab yesterday, no probs

@Whatwouldscullydo

Cos we physically can't know everything..

Its impossible to. We learn new stuff every day about hundreds of things.

At one point, the Americans withdrew the nasal spray for flu ( we didn't) sometimes new things crop up that need looking at .

So because we can't know everything ever in the entire universe, you think that vaccinating people won't give immunity to the virus? Or you think it will but government will want to keep restrictions in place anyway?

@camelscrossingthedesert

I am young (in Covid terms.)

I have no other health conditions that would make me vulnerable to coronavirus.

I am female.

I have probably had it and didn’t even know.

There is no reason for me to have the vaccination. Which makes having it selfish for me, because I am taking it from someone who does need it, and pointless. When you have a vaccination there is a small chance of a bad reaction. I don’t see the point of taking that chance when the vaccine is of no benefit to you.

So it's all about you then . Great attitide

Of course there will have to he restrictions in place still.

Not only fir the few months it takes to roll it out to everyone, we have brexit to contend with as well , and i expect the whole self isolation thing will have to carry on as well, because the vaccines can't be 100 percent effective.

I dont see that much really changing with it tbh . I mean no ones going to be carrying around their vaccination certificates are they, even if say retail staff have to ask before they serve people, we still just have to believe them if they say they have been, just like we have to accept their word about mask exemptions.

At no point were any of us gone extra security or support to enforce it beyond simply asking

But the vaccines don't need to be 100% effective. No vaccine is 100% effective. If it's effective enough, and enough people get it, it means you don't have covid spreading.

And you don't need to ask people to produce certificates to prove they've had it. Because as long as it's effective enough, and enough people get it, it will prevent covid spreading.

We don't have to worry about polio and smallpox any more. We don't have mass measles outbreaks hospitalising thousands of people. Even though those vaccines were not 100% effective either.

I still don’t get the people who would rather avoid the vaccine for which there is no evidence at all of long term effects and risk covid which we know for sure can have really nasty ongoing effects even in mild cases.
I wonder if they have never met anyone with long covid. The two people I know who have not recovered their health after 8 months are in their 40s and 20s, neither had any reason beforehand to think they would be at risk.

Who else would it be about sleep?

The question asked if I would take the vaccine.

no evidence at all of long term effects

That is the point. There can’t be evidence of long term effects as the trials haven’t been going long term

@camelscrossingthedesert

Who else would it be about sleep?

The question asked if I would take the vaccine.

There us no logic to you saying that if you took the vaccine it would be depriving others. The govt are doing the prioritising so that excuse doesn't apply

You might want to consider taking the vaccine to protect others....

Yes, I'll get it. Definitely. Its been quick, yes. But I think that's due to funding and a streamlined process.

If there are long term effects, I'll manage them. I don't know what's going to happen to my health in the next 20 years anyway, I could have any number of things which need managing. If I have side effects, I'll manage them, like I would a cancer diagnosis or any other health event.

For me the benefits outweigh the risks at this point. I'm not prepared to gamble my health on covid, nor the health of those I love and spend time with.

I have lupus, and take immunosupressants, and have various complications which could potentially make it more difficult.for me to fight a serious virus, from covid through to pneumonia or a cut that gets infected. I take precautions by having the dlu vaccine etc, this is no different I don't think. I'd rather mitigate the current proven threat than a possible unproven threat at some unknown point in the future.