To be weary of the vaccines?

[PunkyPirate]

Will you be getting it?

Will you be allowing your children to get it?

I'm curious to peoples responses as my social media seems to be full of posts from people mocking those who will get the vaccine.

I'm by no means an anti Vaxer. Myself and my children have had all vaccinations and have the flu jab yearly. My only worry is that not enough is known about the long term side effects.

Well I think of people actually cared about the nhs they'd stop drinking, smoking, driving, doing dangerous hobbies, having babies, taking drugs, etc and all the other things that "put pressure on the nhs"

Of course it didn't occur to the idiots who stood outside banging saucepans every Thursday that what might be more useful is not abusing the nhs by hitting a&e Friday night when they could have seen a dr the Monday morning before.

Why didn't people care about the nhs before?

You have idiots on your SM.

Pressed too soon. The figures are hugely encouraging so far, it will be given to the most vulnerable first (in that situation I'd take it!) and by the time it gets to the rest there will be even more known about it. But it's been tested extensively, trialled etc for its safety and as always there are rogue cases but you're still far better with it than without it.

I respect people's right to refuse but it gets really tricky if lots of vulnerable / elderly people refuse though. The rest of can't reasonably be expected to keep living like this to protect the vulnerable when a vaccine is available

I agree.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Well I think of people actually cared about the nhs they'd stop drinking, smoking, driving, doing dangerous hobbies, having babies, taking drugs, etc and all the other things that "put pressure on the nhs"

Of course it didn't occur to the idiots who stood outside banging saucepans every Thursday that what might be more useful is not abusing the nhs by hitting a&e Friday night when they could have seen a dr the Monday morning before.

Why didn't people care about the nhs before?

😂 wooohoo. Bar the drinking I am killing it😂 Not for the NHS though. For me. I am kind of wowed by the love of not so well functioning institution. We have state health too, where I come from, but we don't have this... Obsession with it.

Very interesting about the development of the vaccine for immunocompromised. Is that a standard or is it just few vaccines like that?

For all the vaccines we have ever developed, any nasty side-effects have happened soon after people have got them. ‘Soon’ as in hours/days/weeks.

There are - thankfully very very rarely, for some vaccines that have ever been created - ‘long-term effects’ that might last for a long time. What we don’t see is a history of ‘long-term effects’ that take months or years to turn up in the first place. There is something like two examples, ever, of side-effects which might possibly have been related to the vaccine taking 3+ months to appear.

So obviously all these vaccines need to go through proper trials. But if you want the trials to run for longer so it doesn’t feel ‘rushed’ to you, what you’re asking for is for the MHRA and other agencies to sit on their hands and do nothing for another year or two for the sake of making sure it doesn’t cause a type of side-effect that they have no evidence of and no reason to think it ever could. Why should they do that?

Yes I’ll have it. I wouldn’t be as keen to have it if it hadn’t been through proper clinical trials, but once it has and the MHRA has approved it, absolutely happy to have it.

I think that's crap, but that aside, how does not having the vaccine help?

The point being, having the vaccine is not the miracle people think it is going to be. It is reported in the media that masks and measures will still need to be in place.
Having the vaccine isn't going to magically return life back to normal.

wooohoo. Bar the drinking I am killing itNot for the NHS though. For me. I am kind of wowed by the love of not so well functioning institution. We have state health too, where I come from, but we don't have this... Obsession with it

Well this is Britain..where you have to be grateful for scraps and you are single handedly responsible for everything despite the fact that abuse of the services has been going on for years...and the only time anyone gives a shit is "covid" and the solution is not to change behaviour but to honk horns, bang saucepans and gather on a bridge with the frickin police

Genuine question. All those who say we can absolutely trust the process and the government - what about the narcolepsy cases following the swine flu vaccine? Apparently misinformation about how rigourously the vaccine had been tested were spread then. I find it a bit difficult to trust the process now after having read about that.

@Neron

I think that's crap, but that aside, how does not having the vaccine help?

The point being, having the vaccine is not the miracle people think it is going to be. It is reported in the media that masks and measures will still need to be in place.
Having the vaccine isn't going to magically return life back to normal.

Masks and distancing will still need to be in place while the vaccine is getting distributed, because it’ll take a while to get it to everybody.

Masks and distancing won’t still be needed once enough people have had it. I’m sure some people will still choose to live like that, but nationally? No.

Yes I get that Golden. My initial comment was to the 'have the vaccine and get your freedom back' comment. Far too many people think this vaccine is going to make it all better.

@Neron

Yes I get that Golden. My initial comment was to the 'have the vaccine and get your freedom back' comment. Far too many people think this vaccine is going to make it all better.

Okay, and in what way do you think the vaccine is not going to make it better? Because it won't be instant? But I don't think anyone seriously imagines that it's going to work before it's actually injected into people, do they?

[quote Sunshinegirl82]@clarcats

Honestly, if you're still using "we've never come up with a coronavirus vaccine before" line then you really just can't have looked into this at all, you just can't have.

First of all, we've had coronavirus vaccines for animals for years. Secondly "the common cold" is caused by around 200 viruses of which coronaviruses make up 4. Can you imagine it being commercially valuable to produce a vaccine that might marginally reduce the chance of catching an illness that for the majority is minor inconvenience? Yes, you wouldn't catch one if the coronaviruses but you could still catch one if the other 196 viruses and end up with a cold. Who would have that vaccine?!

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I've spent an awful lot of time researching thanks, and there has never been a vaccine for a human coronavirus that's ever been approved for use in the UK or US despite them trying. They tried to make a vaccine for SARS but it had no success due to adverse effects.
I'd suggest you do a bit more research around what the media and the government are 'feeding' you about the current situation

The vaccine, if approved, isn't mandatory nor will it be rolled out to all.
People comment as if c19 is the only thing to consider in all this. The economy isn't suddenly going to perk up. This was why I commented about the freedom. It is so much more than that.

@clarcats

No, because you are wrong. I never said there had been a vaccine approved for humans. The SARS vaccine wasn't needed because SARS was eradicated. There is a MERS vaccine (that was developed by the same Oxford team as are currently working in the COVID vaccine and using the same technology) currently in late stage trials in the Middle East. That trial will take a while because MERS is fairly rare. The other coronaviruses are not sufficiently bothersome to make a vaccine commercially viable.

Were you aware of the MERS vaccine? Or do your "non main stream media" sources gloss over that one?

No, although it has nothing to do with it being rushed. I only have vaccinations for diseases or illnesses that would leave me unwell. I am not at risk of Covid, so won’t get the vaccination.

@PunkyPirate

Will you be getting it?

Will you be allowing your children to get it?

I'm curious to peoples responses as my social media seems to be full of posts from people mocking those who will get the vaccine.

I'm by no means an anti Vaxer. Myself and my children have had all vaccinations and have the flu jab yearly. My only worry is that not enough is known about the long term side effects.

We also have no idea of the long term effects of Covid. And I know which one scares me more.

At the moment, no, I won't be getting the vaccine due to pregnancy. As soon as I've given birth, I'll be front of the queue.

Luckily my family will all get the vaccine as soon as possible, so at least there will be some protection.

I'll be getting it.

I'll be getting it. I don't trust the government but I trust scientists and have a huge amount of respect for all those working on vaccines and treatments and everyone who has volunteered to be part of the trials.

I get the flu jab annually & Ive had the pneumonia jab as well.
I will get the Covid jab - I have elderly relatives & want to be able to spend time with them.

One of the brilliant things about the vaccines we know of so far being more than 90% effective is that we won't be as reliant on everyone getting vaccinated to protect others. And most of the population are willing to get it as soon as it's available. So if people want to wait five years before getting it or avoid it altogether then fine, no skin off my nose, we'll all be getting our lives back anyway and maybe they'll feel happier about it when most of the rest of the population has it.

Chances of the population continuing to wear masks and keep 6ft away from everybody once the vaccine's in widespread circulation are approximately 0%, though. So I hope the people who don't want the vaccine aren't going to be wanting everyone else to protect them by keeping on with all this stuff, because that's just not going to happen.

But the swine flu vaccine was developed by the same kinds of scientists, no? It's not like there is no precedent for problems from rushed vaccines.

the common cold is a coronavirus

No, the common cold is caused by LOTS of viruses (over 200), which is why it's so impractical to find a vaccine for it. Many colds are caused by rhinoviruses, RSV or parainfluenza viruses. About 20 per cent are caused by coronaviruses - I believe 4 different ones are involved.

A vaccine for MERS. another coronavirus (more severe but less contagious than Covid) is in its final stages of development. A vaccine was in process of development for SARS, but since the transmission of this virus was successfully suppressed, the vaccine development was not continued.

The Pandemrix vaccine which caused narcolepsy in some people wasn't tested in the way these vaccines are being tested, though. It was done with a 'mock-up' system where they sort of modelled it instead of doing lengthy real-world trials.

Although it seems most likely that what caused the issues with that vaccine were either something about the adjuvant, or something about the inactivated flu vaccine, and neither of those are in these covid vaccines anyway.

There's an interesting article about it here: www.statnews.com/2018/07/05/flu-vaccine-2009-pandemic-narcolepsy/

There are a lot of clever people on this thread; people working in the pharmaceutical and other similar industries.

Hopefully someone has some insight they can share with the less educated amongst us, about how the Pandemix vaccine for the swine flu managed to get to the point where it was injected into children, considering all the testing that must have been carried out.