Is a change beginning to happen regarding schools?

[Covidfears]

I’ve been noticing more articles lately in the mainstream press about the difficulties in schools (which will come as no surprise to most people). There’s also been some research which has basically confirmed that schools are driving infections. So, along with it looking like this lockdown has been a waste of time (due to schools being kept open to continue the spread) and people in power calling for Hull schools to be closed do we think that schools will be closing early for Christmas?

Is there any chance that blended learning or rotas will be coming in after the Christmas holidays?

We are a vulnerable family with children in primary school and the risk that sending them every day with no safety measures poses to our family is causing me huge amounts of stress.

@noblegiraffe

I haven't spouted any of their lines?

Pull the other one. Plus there’s a sure tell that you displayed.

A tell? What are you on about?

@noblegiraffe

Because they are parents. They might even be parents of students you teach. You'd really rather they hated you?

Us4Them hate teachers anyway. It’s pretty obvious in their contempt for their safety.

But you're not going to change that by being so vile are you? So why are you continuously whining about them when you're actually only willing to make them worse?

There’s something that Us4Them do that no one else does. It has come in quite handy.

@noblegiraffe

There’s something that Us4Them do that no one else does. It has come in quite handy.

Mate, you know more about them then me because I have literally no idea what you're on about?

I don't know whether to be puzzled or amused at Us4Them's clear antagonism towards the very people they depend upon for their aim to be achieved.

But you're not going to change that by being so vile are you?

I thought you said you weren’t part of it.

Why should teachers try to curry favour with a group that are actively campaigning for less safe working conditions for them?

Could say the same about you guys. Only people you need to convince are parents and yet you talk about them like they're shit on your shoes.

Bottom line is, @TrustTheGeneGenie, you need us more than we need you.
You might want to think about that before calling a teacher of a much-in-demand subject, vile.

@noblegiraffe

But you're not going to change that by being so vile are you?

I thought you said you weren’t part of it.

Why should teachers try to curry favour with a group that are actively campaigning for less safe working conditions for them?

Im not part of it? I followed their FB page when it was set up out of interest. I don't post on Mumsnet on their behalf. Im starting to think you're actually a bit paranoid?

Only people you need to convince are parents and yet you talk about them like they're shit on your shoes

Us4Them don’t represent parents, merely themselves.

I’m a parent and they do not speak for me.

@CallmeAngelina

Bottom line is, *@TrustTheGeneGenie*, you need us more than we need you. You might want to think about that before calling a teacher of a much-in-demand subject, vile.

Can you not call a teacher vile when they're being vile? Why is that?

We do need teachers. We don't need ones who think that calling people batshit just because they disagree is ok.

I don't post on Mumsnet on their behalf

Just make their arguments for them and defend them.

@noblegiraffe

Only people you need to convince are parents and yet you talk about them like they're shit on your shoes

Us4Them don’t represent parents, merely themselves.

I’m a parent and they do not speak for me.

I'm fairly certain that they do represent parents. Not all parents. Just like you don't represent all teachers.

Saying you disagree with science deniers = vile

Actively campaigning to make someone's workplace as unsafe as possible even for clinically vulnerable or extremely clinically vulnerable staff (some of whom have posted that due to their unsafe environment now are quite ill with covid) = completely fine and you're not allowed to ever get exasperated and use a word like 'batshit' for a group of people actively trying to make your workplace less safe.

Uh-huh.

@noblegiraffe

I don't post on Mumsnet on their behalf

Just make their arguments for them and defend them.

If saying that they're not all covid deniers is defending them, then yes I am. That's allowed, you know.

@IloveJKRowling

Saying you disagree with science deniers = vile

Actively campaigning to make someone's workplace as unsafe as possible even for clinically vulnerable or extremely clinically vulnerable staff (some of whom have posted that due to their unsafe environment now are quite ill with covid) = completely fine and you're not allowed to ever get exasperated and use a word like 'batshit' for a group of people actively trying to make your workplace less safe.

Uh-huh.

She didn't say she disagreed. She said they're all "batshit"

V different.

"Can you not call a teacher vile when they're being vile? Why is that?"

Well, I can't answer that, because @noblegiraffe isn't the one being vile here, in my opinion.

@CallmeAngelina

"Can you not call a teacher vile when they're being vile? Why is that?"

Well, I can't answer that, because @noblegiraffe isn't the one being vile here, in my opinion.

Of course she's not. Teachers are obviously never vile.

Can you not call a teacher vile when they're being vile? Why is that?

Calling any individual poster names on Mumsnet breaks the talk guidelines (personal attacks)

Calling a GROUP of people's views something like 'batshit' or indeed 'vile' however is allowed.

They are different things.

We don't need ones who think that calling people batshit just because they disagree is ok.

It is not a ‘disagreement’. Us4Them are campaigning for less safe working conditions for me and my colleagues.

@IloveJKRowling

Can you not call a teacher vile when they're being vile? Why is that?

Calling any individual poster names on Mumsnet breaks the talk guidelines (personal attacks)

Calling a GROUP of people's views something like 'batshit' or indeed 'vile' however is allowed.

They are different things.

Ah right ok. So classifying a group of people at batshit, because you think they believe something they don't actually believe, is ok?

And you teach children.

@noblegiraffe

We don't need ones who think that calling people batshit just because they disagree is ok.

It is not a ‘disagreement’. Us4Them are campaigning for less safe working conditions for me and my colleagues.

It is a disagreement. And they don't have any power to do that anyway. Only the government do. Be angry at them. ,

Ha ha ha ha ha. I don't teach children (other than my own of course). In fact I just specifically stated I would never, ever consider retraining as a secondary teacher despite the fact I'd be paid to train as am in an 'in demand' subject area.

Where on earth did you come up with that? (it's all becoming clear - the disengagement with reality)

I didn’t say they were all covid deniers, Trust btw.

Some of them presumably think that covid is a serious risk and yet still argue against safer working conditions for teachers.

That makes them something else.

@IloveJKRowling

Ha ha ha ha ha. I don't teach children (other than my own of course). In fact I just specifically stated I would never, ever consider retraining as a secondary teacher despite the fact I'd be paid to train as am in an 'in demand' subject area.

Where on earth did you come up with that? (it's all becoming clear - the disengagement with reality)

I'm glad!

I mean again you've just resorted to personal insults. There's a theme.