Worried about post Christmas peak

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Anyone else who believes in this Virus think it's going to be horrific and things will be much worse in the new year? People going all over the country, getting blind drunk etc etc... The majority of people even following the rules now will throw them out the window because they are so Covid Tired...

This is exactly why I think that those who can, should spend Christmas by themselves (by themselves I mean their immediate family bubble).

Then it would mean those on their own, or those with a genuine need (bad health, physical or mental) are able to safely have a small gathering.

Myself and DH are pretty much introverts so have no desperate desire to travel unnecessarily to see family. I know we are odd and others love having large family gatherings. But I just think this attitude is unbelievably selfish when people are suffering (on their own, mental health) and genuinely need that interaction.

Missing one Christmas isn't the end of the world for most people.

Yes I worry about the post Christmas peak but most of all I worry about what will happen before then.

I live in one of the areas with the highest infection rates and it will get worse here in the coming weeks.

[quote Racoonworld]@YellowPostItPad sorry but no. Not until others start thinking about me. It’s not my ‘social life’ it’s my actual life. I have depression and I’m not putting myself through another few months of not seeing my friends and family. I was prepared to stick to the rule of 6, not happy about it but I could do it. I cannot get through winter not seeing people except for the odd walk. Its not fair on those of us who rely on others and need social interaction. I’m physically healthy and unlikely to be impacted much by covid. I’m being very affected by lockdown. You should think of others, it’s not just the vulnerable to Covid at risk here and they’re not the only ones that matter or who should be prioritised.[/quote]
Do you live alone?

sorry but no. Not until others start thinking about me. It’s not my ‘social life’ it’s my actual life. I have depression and I’m not putting myself through another few months of not seeing my friends and family.

I completely agree with you.

It's all protect such and such, buy no one gives a shit what you are going through. And seeing a lot of opinions on Mumsnet calling people murderers ect I'm not sure I give a shit about them.

A lot of People with mental illnesses have been severly affected by lockdowns and have been forgotten about by society, so if people need ed to see others for their health so be it.

@Againstmachine Covid is king and nothing else matters these days, sad times.

‘sorry but no. Not until others start thinking about me. It’s not my ‘social life’ it’s my actual life. I have depression and I’m not putting myself through another few months of not seeing my friends and family.’

I also have life long mental health issues. I actually feel safer in lockdown and am scared to leave the house as l don’t want the virus and fear contamination.

Your mental health solution makes mine worse. Why do you trump me?

Your mental health solution makes mine worse. Why do you trump me?

She’s not stopping you from staying at home if you want to.

It's all protect such and such, buy no one gives a shit what you are going through

Absolutely this.

why do you trump me?

The same was the medically vulnerable far out trumps the mentally or socially vulnerable sadly. Not everyone can be number one priority and unfortunately those in the lower priorities suffer and are expected to just get on with it because we are saving lives.

@Againstmachine, I don't know how you missed the research, at one point it was covered everywhere and it was why scientists were saying that there would be a winter wave.

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No but she is talking about mixing which at the moment isn’t allowed. It might be up to Christmas, but it might not be.

And like everyone else it’s doing my head in being in the house all the time. I want to get out too. But as long as people keep mixing it’s just going to postpone the lockdown restrictions being lifted.

I was fine in the summer when cases were low. As it’s got worse I’ve got worse. I hide indoors to be safe but l hate it.

@3littlewords, but again, why are we prioritising Covid, while research shows that for every three people who've died from Covid, two have died because of lock down. That's without having the full data on deaths from other causes and the lobg term impacts. Children are dying because of lock down. If we are to continue then better strategies are needed for services. Services across the country vary, including medical appointments and there's no justification for the disparities. Especially now that the schools are back and people wfh should be doing a proper working day. We have a one hour turn around test, dentists should be seeing people again as should other therapists.

This should have been planned for over the summer and without proper planning we shouldn't have to put up with how things are.

For those Students who can, they shouldn't return. In Liverpool there were arrests because Students were using their accommodation as party flats. We need the threat of prosecutions (and subsequent showing up on a DBS etc), to enforce behaviour.

I like to know where people live because cities like mine, Liverpool can't take a further lose of jobs. People can't live on Universal Credit thanks to the lack of housing benefit support. We've never had a housing crisis before the bedroom tax etc. Now we do.

[quote TipTapTip]@wildbarnet I'm worried about loosing half my family and my own life I think that trumps jobs[/quote]
It doesn't. I'm allegedly ECV and have had all the shielding letters, etc. and should be back at it now. What's far more worrying for me is losing my job.

If I catch this bloody virus and my time is up, that's they way it is and the family is financially sorted. Losing my job and trying to get another in this climate, bloody nightmare!!

@SoloMummy no I live with my DH and baby . And no that’s not enough, I’ve been isolated from family for months now as they live too far away to just visit for a day. I’m a first time mum on mat leave and missing everything and have had no help in months. I’m not missing Christmas too, it’s a step too far.

[quote Ponoka7]@3littlewords, but again, why are we prioritising Covid, while research shows that for every three people who've died from Covid, two have died because of lock down. That's without having the full data on deaths from other causes and the lobg term impacts. Children are dying because of lock down. If we are to continue then better strategies are needed for services. Services across the country vary, including medical appointments and there's no justification for the disparities. Especially now that the schools are back and people wfh should be doing a proper working day. We have a one hour turn around test, dentists should be seeing people again as should other therapists.

This should have been planned for over the summer and without proper planning we shouldn't have to put up with how things are.

For those Students who can, they shouldn't return. In Liverpool there were arrests because Students were using their accommodation as party flats. We need the threat of prosecutions (and subsequent showing up on a DBS etc), to enforce behaviour.

I like to know where people live because cities like mine, Liverpool can't take a further lose of jobs. People can't live on Universal Credit thanks to the lack of housing benefit support. We've never had a housing crisis before the bedroom tax etc. Now we do.[/quote]
Stop citing two have died due to lockdown if you don't have the datasets to prove this unsubstantiated statement.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince same to you, why does yours trump mine? Everyone Should do what they need to do. You stay in if it makes you feel better and I’ll go and see friends and family if that helps me. I’m not stoping you doing what you want.

Racoonworld, but you are. I don’t want to stay inside. But if people keep mixing the virus will hang around longer. So until the numbers are very low, l feel like a prisoner.

My behaviour isn’t affecting you, but yours is affecting me.

@Ponoka7 I didnt say I agreed with it or not just pointing out the current reality.
It seems the ultimate goal is to prevent covid deaths but the damage and suffering and possibly other deaths to achieve that is almost taboo to acknowledge without being called murderous or selfish. Some people are really really struggling but as long as its not covid then it doesn't matter, how can that be OK?
I've lost my job due to covid - but you didn't die of covid.
My dc is missing school again due to isolating- but you didn't die of covid.
I haven't seen my family for months- but you didn't die of covid.
My business isn't allowed to trade i cant feed my dc - but you didn't die of covid.
I cant get a f2f appointment with my GP or have been too fearful to seek medical attention- but you didn't die of covid.
I cant comfort a loved at a funeral - but you didn't die of covid.
I'm desperate for some human affection and interaction- but you didn't die of covid.

All these things, and I'm sure there's many other scenarios, matter but we are made to feel like they don't as only covid matters

Ultimately the longer this madness goes on, people will do what they need to do to get by. Random unknown people aren't a priority.

*Ridiculous.

You're better off than many.

Pull your girl pants on and get a on with it.

Do you want your child to see that level of patheticness and self entitlement as the norm?*

That poster said they had depression, what a way to talk to someone with depression.

And that's why I'm slowly giving less if a toss about anyone.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

Racoonworld, but you are. I don’t want to stay inside. But if people keep mixing the virus will hang around longer. So until the numbers are very low, l feel like a prisoner.

My behaviour isn’t affecting you, but yours is affecting me.

You do realise the virus is never actually going away? The vaccine is likely to stop illness but not stop people catching it and most of us won’t be given it anyway. I know I’ll catch it at some point it’s just a question of when, unless I lock myself in forever which I’m not going to do. For me, my life and mental health trumps catching it. For you, staying in helps you. We are both important so you do what’s best for you and I’ll do what’s best for me.

But if people keep mixing the virus will hang around longer

It's hanging around anyway isn't it. When was it decided to try and eradicate it?

"as only covid matters"

Hyperbole and claptrap.

Why have we spent hundreds on furlough if only covid matters?
Why are schools being kept open if only covid matters?
Why did the government try regional lockdown if only covid matters?
Why delay lockdown until it was clear that hospital capacity could be overwhelmed if we'd waited longer? This was the reason given for lockdown, not the death figures.

I'm no fan of how the government have dealt with the pandemic but they have tried to balance conflicting factors and there are no easy solutions