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Worried about post Christmas peak

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TipTapTip · 14/11/2020 08:38

Anyone else who believes in this Virus think it's going to be horrific and things will be much worse in the new year? People going all over the country, getting blind drunk etc etc... The majority of people even following the rules now will throw them out the window because they are so Covid Tired... Sad

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User158340 · 14/11/2020 10:17

@Againstmachine

So if those people who lose jobs live in poverty and end up homeless or even if they die it doesn't matter.

And OP it is lose not loose.

If the hospitals are full with Covid patients in Jan-March and more lockdowns and restrictions come in, it's not going to help the job market, is it?

It's why the furlough scheme has been extended till March as it's clear what will happen after Christmas.

Chickenandrice · 14/11/2020 10:19

I agree OP. Can’t believe the responses on here

WhentheDealGoesDown · 14/11/2020 10:19

[quote TipTapTip]@User158340 exactly. Problem is that it will spread thanks to all those like Wild Barnet and that will spread to the vulnerable when they go food shopping, have deliveries etc etc[/quote]
OP is being ridiculous here as you either have to go food shopping or have it delivered, it doesn't magically appear in your house.

Jrobhatch29 · 14/11/2020 10:20

@Chickenandrice

I agree OP. Can’t believe the responses on here
You're right. These people worried about their jobs and keeping a roof over their kids houses are just monsters aren't they?
Jrobhatch29 · 14/11/2020 10:21

Heads*

User158340 · 14/11/2020 10:22

@Ellmau

Surely NYE parties will be banned though?
Doesn't mean there won't still be thousands of parties all over the country (or even just house gatherings of 6-10-15-20 people from multiple households all in the same room.

The police can't stop them all and even if they do, the damage is already done if a load of people are together under one roof for hours.

Saturday nights are bad enough as it is, new year will be 10x worse.

MigGril · 14/11/2020 10:22

We have 8 relatives that are over 70, believe it or not they all live independently full lives aren't in care homes. Have big enough pensions that they pay tax, but do have underlying health conditions. So far we've been really lucky, non of them have caught covid. I really don't see us getting out of this without losing some valued members of our family.

Heatherjayne1972 · 14/11/2020 10:25

I think we will be in lockdown again mid January
If we come out of lockdown on 2dec I imagine the shops will be packed until Christmas. Then Christmas and New Years will involve people getting together
It’s why furlough is extended to March - the government is planning ahead

User158340 · 14/11/2020 10:25

These people worried about their jobs and keeping a roof over their kids houses are just monsters aren't they?

People worried about their jobs are just as valid as those worried about Covid. However, a potential "post-Christmas peak" of Covid, is not going to make their job more secure, is it? Or help anyone back into work. It's Covid that cripples the economy and the jobs market. We had a decent recovery in the third quarter when cases were relatively low for most of it.

Jrobhatch29 · 14/11/2020 10:29

@User158340

These people worried about their jobs and keeping a roof over their kids houses are just monsters aren't they?

People worried about their jobs are just as valid as those worried about Covid. However, a potential "post-Christmas peak" of Covid, is not going to make their job more secure, is it? Or help anyone back into work. It's Covid that cripples the economy and the jobs market. We had a decent recovery in the third quarter when cases were relatively low for most of it.

I'm not disputing that. But it's not okay to come on here and be ridiculously rude to people who are worried about the wider implications of covid like the OP has... Who has strangely disappeared.
wildbarnet · 14/11/2020 10:29

@User158340

These people worried about their jobs and keeping a roof over their kids houses are just monsters aren't they?

People worried about their jobs are just as valid as those worried about Covid. However, a potential "post-Christmas peak" of Covid, is not going to make their job more secure, is it? Or help anyone back into work. It's Covid that cripples the economy and the jobs market. We had a decent recovery in the third quarter when cases were relatively low for most of it.

You are obviously financially secure
User158340 · 14/11/2020 10:29

@MigGril

We have 8 relatives that are over 70, believe it or not they all live independently full lives aren't in care homes. Have big enough pensions that they pay tax, but do have underlying health conditions. So far we've been really lucky, non of them have caught covid. I really don't see us getting out of this without losing some valued members of our family.
Hopefully they'll be vaccinated within a few months.
wildbarnet · 14/11/2020 10:30

@Jrobhatch29 totally agree

kittensarecute · 14/11/2020 10:34

@FippertyGibbett

Yep, there will be another lockdown in the new year.
You know this for definite, do you? Stop scaremongering.
User158340 · 14/11/2020 10:35

@wildbarnet My job is thankfully secure for now, but my point is nobody is secure (whether it be financially and/or health wise) if Christmas and new year leads to a huge surge in cases. It's not in anyone's interest.

That doesn't mean nobody should see their families on Christmas Day, but it does mean the more people mix over the Christmas and new year period then the worse it'll be once the kids are back in school and students descend on the cities again into January. We can't do both.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 14/11/2020 10:36

Agree OP, January is likely to be awful.

I hope the government keep lockdown and find a way to enforce it as much as possible over Christmas and New Year. Otherwise the NHS will be over run, people needing non covid treatment may not get it and all those that followed the rules will be put at risk by those that didn’t when they send their children back into schools and go back to work etc.

I’m not sure why anyone would want to risk their one family member and friends for what is one day. Most wont even be celebrating it as a religious event in the first instance.

kittensarecute · 14/11/2020 10:38

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

Agree OP, January is likely to be awful.

I hope the government keep lockdown and find a way to enforce it as much as possible over Christmas and New Year. Otherwise the NHS will be over run, people needing non covid treatment may not get it and all those that followed the rules will be put at risk by those that didn’t when they send their children back into schools and go back to work etc.

I’m not sure why anyone would want to risk their one family member and friends for what is one day. Most wont even be celebrating it as a religious event in the first instance.

No! Lockdown needs to end on 2 Dec as we have been told and not a day later.
Oodlesofnoodles20 · 14/11/2020 10:40

No, I’ll worry about it when/if it happens. Worrying about tomorrow spoils today. If it happens it’s going to happen and there is absolutely no point thinking about it.

Inkpaperstars · 14/11/2020 10:41

I agree with a PP that a post christmas surge in Covid infection will not help people who are in danger of losing jobs or struggling to find work. It will be really damaging to them.

User158340 · 14/11/2020 10:43

One thing they need to do is stop the university students going back to the halls for the next term if they all go back for Christmas. That'll guarantee a huge surge in itself.

User158340 · 14/11/2020 10:46

No! Lockdown needs to end on 2 Dec as we have been told and not a day later.

It will end, but it's not a lockdown anyway; it's restrictions. It'll be back to the tiered system which still has many of the same restrictions, some of them will be loosened depending on local case rates which will determine the tier.

The only difference between tier 3 and these half baked measures is the pubs are shut.

rorosemary · 14/11/2020 10:59

I think that too many people focus on the low death rate and forget about all those patients that will survive but need weeks in the hospital. That is what is the real problem. Other medical care can't take place as much if the beds are full. People who are sick can't work. People who are sick might have businesses or whatever. It's not just about the death rate. Just spreading Covid to people that survive in the end is a bigger problem for the health care and economy. If we want to save health care AND the economy we need to keep on being careful.

ifonly4 · 14/11/2020 11:03

We decided on a simple Xmas a while ago, lives and people's health are more important to us. Really hoping the government limit what we're all allowed to do (and if they don't it's going to be a kick in the teeth for those that couldn't enjoy Eid or Dawili!), otherwise it'll be Xmas it'll be a covid spreading event, with those concerned taking it with them to the sales and then back into schools.

This comes from someone who probably won't see her lovely Uncle again. Also, well expecting to walk into work tomorrow and loose my job - 14/80 went first set of redundancies, second waves of redundancies delayed hoping for a good Xmas - our takings were 85% down last week so a few of us will be out.

FourTeaFallOut · 14/11/2020 11:04

Absolutely. At the risk of being a brutal pragmatist, dead people don't need hospital beds. If we want the NHS to function through the winter then we need to see a reduction in the case load so we see a reduction in hospital admissions.

bathsh3ba · 14/11/2020 11:18

When you start calling people murderers for calling on you to see the bigger picture, you quickly lose the moral high ground OP.

COVID is horrid but it's not going anywhere anytime soon and even the WHO says lockdowns are not a suitable long or even medium term strategy.

This past week an 11yo in my DD's class attempted suicide. She was struggling with starting secondary school after so much time off school and so scared of dying from 'the virus' she couldn't cope. She matters too.

Quality of life matters and losing your job significantly affects that. Stress and anxiety make us physically ill. Isolation makes us physically ill. In most scenarios governments talk about quality of life years not just numerical years. They're too scared to do that at the moment but they should be because it matters.

We have to have a balanced approach, I don't know why some people find that hard to understand.