Worried about post Christmas peak

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Anyone else who believes in this Virus think it's going to be horrific and things will be much worse in the new year? People going all over the country, getting blind drunk etc etc... The majority of people even following the rules now will throw them out the window because they are so Covid Tired...

@HelloMissus Many were certainly mixing freely in the summer but rates of Covid were very low in July/August in most of the country, although as August went on they were starting to rise.

So although we might not have the same rate of kids mixing and holidays as we did in August, there's higher rates of Covid around to spread. Most people are going to see their families over Christmas. In a lot of cases it'll be immediate families on Christmas Day. In many other cases it'll be extended family and friends and in and out of each others all over the Christmas period.

Sunak is also talking about having another 'eat out to get the virus' scheme in December. These are the things that also encourage wider mixing and less distancing.

As soon as the kids go back to school in Jan and the uni students swarm back into the cities and university towns, Covid rates will explode again. It's just inevitable.

At this stage the solution to the problem is in danger of causing more deaths than the problem itself (today's news of 5k extra heart related deaths than expected as one example). And what about all the people who live alone? Don't underestimate the mental health pandemic looming. Months and months of separation from family and friends is taking its toll. You won't be keeping me away from a small family gathering this year, regardless of the lockdown rules.

@Jrobhatch29

Of course its rare. There are billions of people on the planet. You're talking about a few examples from different countries around the world where there are millions of families.

4 out of 6 of these examples of multiple members of the same family were in the UK.

Living alone is different, of course it's important to be with someone at Christmas.

It's families that have no need to have big gatherings that's unnecessary. I'm spending Christmas with DH and DD and that's more than enough. Of course it's sad to not see parents but I'd rather keep them safe (and ourselves safe).

We have not had proper low temperature yet. I think when the colder weather kicks in, which the virus loves... Xmas won't make any difference to us.. It will kick off.
It's already a struggle to keep windows open and get students to wear warmer clothes.

The problem is the verbal exchanges about this puts the student and the teacher at more risk in itself..
How have we become so spoiled that we can't wear warmer clothes.

We have not had proper low temperature yet. I think when the colder weather kicks in, which the virus loves... Xmas won't make any difference to us.. It will kick off.

Really the virus loves colder weather I must have missed this bit of research on a virus that has been in this country less than a year.

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii

It’s all fine and well locking down/saving a few lives if the people who are actually still here after all this have a shit time to look forward to e.g. tax rises, homelessness, poverty, job losses etc.. I’m More worried about the fall out from this virus.

Honestly don’t know how some people will cope when the next pandemic comes along and this one might actually kill huge numbers of the population

Well. Let's hope that it's a other 100 years before another pandemic hits the UK then. And hope to God that the nightmare of government bankrolling businesses and furlough schemes are not repeated.

@Againstmachine

We have not had proper low temperature yet. I think when the colder weather kicks in, which the virus loves... Xmas won't make any difference to us.. It will kick off.

Really the virus loves colder weather I must have missed this bit of research on a virus that has been in this country less than a year.

Is there anyone still alive in Alaska?

@Againstmachine

We have not had proper low temperature yet. I think when the colder weather kicks in, which the virus loves... Xmas won't make any difference to us.. It will kick off.

Really the virus loves colder weather I must have missed this bit of research on a virus that has been in this country less than a year.

I assume that this data was based on the southern hemisphere?

It's clearly just more of a winter virus and we're in winter. The very cold weather is often good at killing viruses but our winters are usually relatively mild anyway. Only the odd days or week drops below freezing and we're still around double digits now.

@Arielsgift thanks lovely she was practically accusing me of spreading it !

I don't think it is right that the well and fit are being told, still, how to live (well actually how not to live) their lives.

[quote wildbarnet]@Arielsgift thanks lovely she was practically accusing me of spreading it ![/quote]
Not just spreading it, murdering people

I have a feeling that there will be a delayed return of schools, and possibly university, for a couple of weeks in January. Maybe not for primary schools but I think it will happen for some years in secondary .

@shinynewapple2020

I have a feeling that there will be a delayed return of schools, and possibly university, for a couple of weeks in January. Maybe not for primary schools but I think it will happen for some years in secondary .

They can't let the Uni students go back in January. Especially first year students back to the halls. It's not fair on them anyway, but it'll have the same catastrophic effect it did in September.

They need to stay at home with online tutoring at least until after Easter, or minimum February half term.

@LabiaMinoraPissusFlapus

I don't think it is right that the well and fit are being told, still, how to live (well actually how not to live) their lives.

When will you begin to understand that regardless of your apparent health status this could still land you in hospital? And that you carrying on as usual means you are contributing towards the continued spread.

So once again, this supposed "logic" means that you're part of the problem.

I agree it will be different but I will still be seeing family. Just not as many as usual. I’m not going to be apart from my closest family for much longer and we have all agreed that we will break whatever rules are in place at Christmas. The government know most people will see people anyway so I’m guessing they will allow it. If not I don’t really care!

No. Most people will not be seeing people if it's not allowed. Most people think of the vulnerable in our society and put them first above their social lives. There have been a massive numbers of deaths from COVID and that will only increase especially if people ignore the guidelines. We cannot just let this virus rip through the population unchecked - the death toll would be unthinkable.
It's just one Christmas, the vaccine is very close and we then can start to get back to normal.
Think of others before yourself.

user the vast majority of students live in private rented accommodation contracted through to next year.
No one can actually stop them going to live in the property they rent.

And first years will be encouraged back because unis can’t afford to refund those halls fees. And government have already said no to bailing them out.

They need to stay at home with online tutoring at least until after Easter, or minimum February half term.

You’re assuming they have somewhere else they can be. That’s not necessarily the case.

Sunak is also talking about having another 'eat out to get the virus' scheme in December. These are the things that also encourage wider mixing and less distancing.

I believe this was debunked and in the actual interview on Sky he said may consider other measures in Spring to stimulate the economy nothing specific about Eat Out. I doubt they would win many votes for this having refused to back the school meals over half term.

I think when the colder weather kicks in, which the virus loves ... It will kick off
Is there anyone still alive in Alaska?

All except 92 apparently: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/alaska-coronavirus-cases.html

Who'd have thunk it?

I understand that I may be affected badly by covid but I choose to take my chances. I don't think I should have to protect others from it other than taking simple precautions. Don't get me started on who I am meant to be protecting! Why are many of them at risk in the first place? I keep myself healthy and fit. I also accept my own mortality and am not going to live consumed by a fear of dying.

And yes I can see that I am 'part of the problem'. It depends on one's interpretation of the problem.

@YellowPostItPad sorry but no. Not until others start thinking about me. It’s not my ‘social life’ it’s my actual life. I have depression and I’m not putting myself through another few months of not seeing my friends and family. I was prepared to stick to the rule of 6, not happy about it but I could do it. I cannot get through winter not seeing people except for the odd walk. Its not fair on those of us who rely on others and need social interaction. I’m physically healthy and unlikely to be impacted much by covid. I’m being very affected by lockdown. You should think of others, it’s not just the vulnerable to Covid at risk here and they’re not the only ones that matter or who should be prioritised.