Worried that the military and NHS are on standby to deliver vaccines

[BurningRose]

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.

'allowing non medical professionals to administer vaccines of needed.'

If you mean pharmacists, they've been able to for yonks. I get my flu jab at the pharmacy every year.

And I doubt that it's that difficult to train people to give injections. I mean, children with diabetes sometimes get taught how to give themselves an insulin injection.

And the vaccine certainly isn't going to be mandatory - there won't be enough initially for those who want it. Maybe for a while some countries will want a certificate of vaccination for those who wish to travel there. But not in your own country,

Rna vaccines contain genetic instructions so they do interface with DNA

Do you think when soldiers were injured in the war they waited for the NHS a to arrive ?

I'd much rather the military I fund with my taxes spend their time distributing vaccines rather than distributing bullets.

Vaccines mess your DNA!? Crack on with yourself, OP, you're spouting grade-A rubbish now. It is not possible for a vaccine to "mess with your DNA".

Rna vaccines contain genetic instructions so they do interface with DNA

Rolled my eyes so far back that I swear I saw my own brain.

@BurningRose

Rna vaccines contain genetic instructions so they do interface with DNA

No they don’t.

You are confusing it with mutant minks.

My friend is a health care assistant. She's spent last weekend doing a flu vaccine clinic at her surgery. She has done it for years. Same as pharmacists. You don't need to be a doctor or nurse to administer injections. I'm a registered nurse and have never given an injection in the arm. Used to be a fab hand at giving them in the buttock though but haven't done that in about 20 years.

@BurningRose

My comment is not as odd as it seems. Some legislation was passed recently allowing non medical professionals to administer vaccines of needed.

This is nothing new. Under supervision it was always possible. There is only one way how to learn to vaccinate/draw blood/do surgery and students learn it as part of their training, so before they're qualified. How did you think that they learnt otherwise?

It would be really easy to teach the military how to vaccinate (seriously not difficult) and have one doctor per so many vaccinators present in case of vasovagal or other reactions.

I'd like the SAS to administer my vaccine in a dawn raid, maybe by swinging through the window (as long as they make good the damage).

@BurningRose

Ps I had a positive covid test a few months ago so I won't need a vaccine. I now have natural immunity.

I worry about creeping authoritarianism though.

For several months. It's not yet proven to give you lasting immunity.

@Mustbe3ormorecharacters

The British army are currently producing syringes that will fit in to the bayonet lugs on the armies rifle. Obviously not true but if it was I would love for it to be administered by the SA80.

It would just jam!

Seriously though the forces are ace at large scale logistics, they have lots of personnel already trained to give injections (just be worried if they want to write on your forehead -or is that old school these days!)

@Sheogorath

Yeah, they're going to be sticking needles in machine guns and firing them at people.

Sorry but i had to laugh at the thought of that

@Sheogorath

Yeah, they're going to be sticking needles in machine guns and firing them at people.

That did make me laugh. 😂😂

On a more serious note I’m getting fair sick of all these posts moaning about the army being involved in the logistics of the Covid crisis. Anyone would think they’re all a bunch of murdering bastards the way some of you lot you whinge on. I might be a bit touchy because my DS1 is a soldier, and DH is RAF. He’s the kindest, caring, lovely young man going and incredibly intelligent. He could be trained in an instant to give an injection.

The logistics of getting this vaccine rolled out, and the mass testing, can’t be done by anyone else but the military and they’re excellent value for money.

Best of all it means Cummings buddies don’t get to milk any more tax revenue out of the situation.

@BurningRose you realise natural immunity doesn’t protect you with cv19? I’m currently working with people who have tested positive a second time for cv19 months later.

Using the army will take a lot of pressure off the NHS. Majority of army personnel are trained in medicine and others will be undergoing training, they don’t just show up and fire a gun.

@Brighterthansunflowers

YABU and ridiculous peddling this anti-vax nonsense

Surely you can see that the military are helping with logistics and scale, not to grab people pin them down and jab them with a needle!

Get a grip.

Piss off with this anti vax nonsense, just because people have some questions and concerns doesn't make them anti vax

I will be one of the front line NHS staff giving the vaccine. When I read the news yesterday I said to DH they will need to send the army to help us with logistics because there's no way the NHS can pull this off! So I'm pleased to hear we will get some help. I don't anticipate them being needed to actually administer the vaccines, but if they are I'm sure only the medics will be helping with that.
Giving a vaccine isn't difficult though, as long as you understand how it works, what the side effects are and how to deal with anaphylaxis. 2 days training will do it.

Better the army than a private company like Serco. If hospitals are over whelmed /busy then staff should be focused on those patients.
Lots of non-medical people know how to inject needles with insulin, IVF drugs, epi pens... I suspect that army personnel are trained to cope with much more serious medical stuff like chemical burns, broken bones, gunshot wounds in places where there aren't hospitals in reach.

This vaccine is the start of the way out of restrictions that were introduced this year. There's never been compulsory vaccinations here. It's possible that some countries will require it for travel but there's already countries that need malaria injections or whatever so that's up to them.

It won't be mandatory. They haven't even got enough to do everyone. It will be over a certain age, the vulnerable and NHS workers offered it first

@BurningRose

Rna vaccines contain genetic instructions so they do interface with DNA

They really really don’t, an average year 9 pupil in the UK could work that one out.

Do you genuinely believe the RNA would become part of your DNA during mitosis? Where do you think it would end up, uracil, adenine, cytosine or maybe guanine? Or maybe you think the RNA will invade our ribosomes and take them over.

For those saying it doesn't interface with DNA.

www.phgfoundation.org/briefing/rna-vaccines

It has been explicitly said in the House of Commons that any vaccine will not be mandatory and will not be offered to children because it has not been tested on them.

OP, I agree with all the other posters who say that you need help for your own anxiety, if only to stop posting stuff which potentially causes unnecessary anxiety to others.

@BurningRose

Ps I had a positive covid test a few months ago so I won't need a vaccine. I now have natural immunity.

I worry about creeping authoritarianism though.

No one knows how well natural immunity lasts and there have been cases of reinfection already.

On a more serious note I’m getting fair sick of all these posts moaning about the army being involved in the logistics of the Covid crisis.

I agree. They're not involving the army to force anyone to do anything or be aggressive in any way. They are involving them because they're very organised, versatile and large organisation.