If the vaccine was immediately available for everyone - would you have it?

[Dinosaur19]

Not after an argument I’m just genuinely wondering! I have spoken to two friends and one would have it and one wouldn’t. If the vaccine (still with 90% effectivity) was available for everyone in the UK, would you have it straight away?

If it meant I could travel and live normally then yes.

@PicsInRed

I'd wait 4-6 weeks. If there were major issues it would come out by then - and it would likely take at least that long to reach me anyway!

I'm looking forward, to everything getting back to normal and will celebrate by eating out, travelling and not socially distancing, at all, ever again. 🍹🎊🥂🥳

Why would you wait 4-6 weeks. If things were going to go wrong it would have in phase 3 trials with thousands being tested with it.

*Bluntness100

Absolutely yes. All of us will.*

How do you mean all of us will?

@Dinosaur19

Sunshinegirl82 you could just ignore the thread then

Yes, I could but I actually think it's irresponsible for people to say things like "no! Vaccines normally take 8 to 10 years! I won't have one that's been rushed through!" Which I've read about 100 times without doing even the slightest bit of fact checking.

It's actually quite important that people have confidence in the vaccine if we are to get out of this, spreading disinformation is unhelpful at best.

Not me. I’ve had covid and believe that my own body would beat it in the same 3 days (or maybe even less) next time I come across it.

I feel like people don't really know what goes into making a vaccine or drug that has been passed through all the trials and safety checks. especially since horrendous things like thalydamide etc.
The checks that any drug or vaccine had to go through are so stringent.
I know I've said I wouldn't have it, but I feel that's for very legitimate reasons, that things that aren't supposed to have any side effects, have landed me almost dead. But I therefore rely on things like herd immunity and people around me being vaccinated, especially because I am vulnerable and on a lot of immunosuppressants

Where people are saying "oh it's been rushed through I don't trust it" they should, in my opinion be saying "this has been achieved in the most incredible speed, it's an absolute triumph of modern medicine and science...."
B

YES. like a shot.

No, I'm healthy and pretty sure immune to covid (didn't catch it from my boyfriend when he had it) and I'm not an anti vaccer by any means but I don't believe in over vaccinating the healthy.

@OpheliasCrayon

I feel like people don't really know what goes into making a vaccine or drug that has been passed through all the trials and safety checks. especially since horrendous things like thalydamide etc. The checks that any drug or vaccine had to go through are so stringent. I know I've said I wouldn't have it, but I feel that's for very legitimate reasons, that things that aren't supposed to have any side effects, have landed me almost dead. But I therefore rely on things like herd immunity and people around me being vaccinated, especially because I am vulnerable and on a lot of immunosuppressants

Where people are saying "oh it's been rushed through I don't trust it" they should, in my opinion be saying "this has been achieved in the most incredible speed, it's an absolute triumph of modern medicine and science...."
B

@OpheliasCrayon As someone who also doesn't want the vaccine, you really have no right to be telling people what they should be saying.

You are a perfect example of why many people are apprehensive - because side effects could occur despite there being little expectancy that there will. This is new to us. People have the right to exercise caution.

@Doobydoo

No..Am pleased to see others will be Guinea Pigs though...have a fear min wage carers in care homes will be pressurised.

The first ppl to get it are not Guinea pigs, this vaccine ( and others) has been tested on thousands before. And care workers should absolutely be vaccinated if they're working with vulnerable ppl.

@OpheliasCrayon

Absolutely.

And ignore the numpty saying "but you're not having it yourself." There will always be people with known health issues for whom certain treatments - whether vaccines or drugs - are contraindicated. As you say, people with such conditions rely on herd immunity from the rest of us.

(Back in the mists of pre-history, as a toddler I had a bad adverse reaction to the smallpox vaccine. Were my parents wrong to give it to me? Hell no. The worst varieties of smallpox had a case fatality rate of 30%. Of course they were right to give it to me. And now, thanks to vaccination programmes, smallpox has been eradicated world wide.)

Yes, I would.

@Sunshinegirl82

Every thread of this type is the same. Loads of by people saying no who as far as I can tell they haven't really attempted any research into the issue they say is of significant concern to them.

On every thread people provide links to studies/podcasts/websites demonstrating why the concerns are unfounded. Another thread starts and round we go again.

No, not demonstrating why but stating what they predict will be the case. In twenty years time we will be able to demonstrate the long term effects. Not before.

It is quite normal for there to be unforeseen long term side effects of drugs in some people. Many people will consider it to be worth the risk when deciding whether to take a covid vaccine, some, probably including me, won't and will wait a few years.

Nobody in pharma will tell you they have definitively demonstrated that all concerns are unfounded. That goes for any drug they produce.

A serious question: is it the case that governments and the pharma companies will be exempt from litigation in cases of side effects?

I read this once and would like to find out if it is true.

I do have concerns. Going from thousands of test subjects to millions means that unknown side effects could arise. Same with time: going from months post-injection to years.

I guess I would, but there are doubts in my mind.

Not for me, I would probably take the risk of I was more vulnerable to the virus but even though I appreciate no guarantees I’d take my chances with the virus over the vaccine at this point.

@FTMF30 I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm saying (or maybe you don't want to understand because it's far easier to just jump down someone's throat when everyone is anonymous really). I would 100% have the vaccine. I am not saying I don't quite fancy it because it might be a bit risky. I am saying I cannot (and my doctors second the fact that I cannot have this, and I cannot have the medications I need to treat my chronic illnesses, which by the way means that my only option now is multiple major surgeries ) because when I take drugs I DO get life threatening reactions. Other people do not get them, for the things that I react to, people on the whole don't react at all, or very minor reactions, whereas what happens to be could be fatal.
Therefore, whilst I completely believe that the vaccine is safe, and that there is very little risk to people from having it, for me, because I, and my specialists know that I react extremely badly, it would not be at all safe.

Anyway. As you were, I'm sure you just don't wish to listen to me anyway so that was wasted time . And, to be quite frank I don't care either way. But if people could have the vaccine, which is definitely a triumph of medicine and science, I would be appreciative because I currently am not able to have it and I am CEV with regards to corona too

No, I wouldn't.

Yes

Hell, YEAH!

No largely because I don't think I need it.

Yes

No.

Therefore, whilst I completely believe that the vaccine is safe, and that there is very little risk to people from having it,

Longer term we don't know this is true though.

Yes, yes, yes!!

Hell yes. As it is though, I will be in group 7 according to JCVI preliminary groups (moderate risk, under 65) so will take some time to reach me (i think there are 11 groups in total).