To think the govt has no right to tell me who I'm allowed to have in my home?

[HumanFemale1]

Anyone else feels the same? I just don't think this is OK. Govt making the rules of who I am allowed to have in my home or how many people I'm allowed to have in...

Especially when it's to keep a virus from spreading when the average death of a virus is higher than the life expectancy. But for any reason really. If the govt was making this rule for any other reason people would be horiffied.

I think they need more enforcement. I know so many people who are "bending" the rules "oh it's okay because there's only 7 of us" well the 6 (pre lockdown) shouldn't be an everyday occurrence. It should be only in certain circumstances and stop pushing limits.

Just because there are a million and one ways you can get it from work, doesn't mean you should then take an additional risk. It's about the necessity of the risk (work is required and not possible from home in some cases) and a cup of tea is not a necessity.

As someone who has watched someone who is otherwise healthy go through covid and die, because of a stupid risk of meeting one person, I wouldn't wish that on my worse enemy. And the person who died said the same. It was not worth it.

I hope you never have to have on your conscience what that person's friend now does if you and your mum get it and the worst happens. If you have other family, please note they will never forgive you.

@Putthekettleonplease

I agree. I pay my tax. I’m a sensible person. I have five good friends. I would not go to an illegal rave or a big gathering. But I will do whatever I want with my small circle in my own house.

Excellent.

Are your small circle going to stay away from all other people in society who didn't make that decision, then?

Ynbu. You really aren't. It worries me how the selfish people who don't mind sacrificing other people's livelihoods, life opportunities, education, mental health, finances and futures to present their own comfortable lives think they are the righteous.

jinglinghellsbells
I don’t pose any risk to others if those who are too scared to go out stay in.
And I’m speaking as someone who is classed as “vulnerable” and had the letter from the council etc. There is risk in everything. If you deem the risk too much re Covid stay at home, shop online. Let’s those of us who want to get on with our lives do so.

When did clinically vulnerable or older people suddenly become unimportant? Plenty are young and contribute to society, plenty of older people have functional fulfilling lives. My dad is vulnerable I haven’t been in his house, stood at the door in the rain to see him but I want him to survive this pandemic. He isn’t ready for popping his clogs yet.

The critical care unit at my trust has treated people mid twenties and upwards with covid. Whatever people want to tell themselves it does and can affect young people not all have health issues either. Most of the very elderly don’t meet icu criteria but are treated on medical wards. Those beds are very busy in high areas like the north west( not just one ward for just covid)

Where are the flu/ winter virus/post op/trauma patients supposed to go? I don’t understand why people aren’t grasping that this happening right now in lots of areas just because their area is a tier one

But you have as many people round your house as you can cram in. Let’s get rid of restrictions and all mingle as normal, give it a month before shops/restaurants/schools etc have to close anyway due to staffing and sickness.

Preserve not present

There’s a need for guidance at the moment. But that is it. We need guidance and trust from our government.

I actually think people would then be more compliant.

OP - i'm with you.
The 'Government' and it's Nazi politics and tactics can go screw itself up it's arse where it 'suddenly' finds all these millions and billions of pounds overnight to sink into human research.

Only the truly scared or brainwashed refuse to even consider that our politicians and systems are actually corrupt and self serving and a bunch of lying cockroaches.

Tell me - if a 'regular' person walked up to you and started talking about 'mutating dna' etc.....you'd me more likely to think/label them 'crazy/conspiracy theorist' wouldn't you?

yet here's an article published this year in the New Scientist - human dna has 'mutated' from 2 strands to 4....www.newscientist.com/article/2249390-quadruple-stranded-dna-seen-in-healthy-human-cells-for-the-first-time/

It isn't the 'first time' it's been detected by the way - they've known for years.....the older esoteric teachings talk about it....
.....but us 'plebs' are 'not allowed' to know the real truth.........instead we get conned and abused with their financial gambling and games and biological warfare experiments - same as always.

Anybody who dares to question out loud and dares to explore theories with an open mind.....well, you're only digging your own grave.

It's no skin off my nose.

I agree OP I’m over all these ridiculous rules and restrictions.

ChasingRainbows, I don’t think the OP wants ‘as many people in her house as (she) can cram in’. I think she was talking about close family, and about government encroachment on private life.

OP You do you, dear, and to hell with the rest of the people who have problematic condititions.
Just don't expect anyone to help you if the NHS cannot cope, or if - in some brave new world that your views so clearly imply - you fall outside of what is 'good' or 'easy' or 'cheap' or 'worthwhile' for help from anyone or any institution at all.

Dog eat dog, as they say.

I've said I haven't had a problem @JinglingHellsBells I go running and I'm pretty healthy/fit, thanks.

The one person I know who out rightly broke lockdown rules, is a nurse. If she hadn't she wouldn't have been able to work as this was before the childcare bubble was introduced and she relied on her mum and sister as childcare.

@Storyoftonight

thecritic.co.uk/mind-your-language-even-in-your-own-home/

@BrumBoo
I thought too that they were focusing on the big parties etc but actually they can and they have issued for a small gathering of or a brew....

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/man-fined-police-visiting-friends-19243401

@florascotia2

OP You do you, dear, and to hell with the rest of the people who have problematic condititions. Just don't expect anyone to help you if the NHS cannot cope, or if - in some brave new world that your views so clearly imply - you fall outside of what is 'good' or 'easy' or 'cheap' or 'worthwhile' for help from anyone or any institution at all.

Dog eat dog, as they say.

I wish there was a way for these people who break the rules to sign their rights to the NHS away for the rest of the pandemic, then they might be a little more careful. And, if not, and they think they truly are invincible, at least they won't take up a bed from someone who has followed the rules but crossed paths with the wrong person in the shop.

and i'd rather dig my own grave and lose this f**cked up up world than live in its bullshit........and i'll be waving my flag long after i'm gone

@pontypridd

There’s a need for guidance at the moment. But that is it. We need guidance and trust from our government.

I actually think people would then be more compliant.

That could have worked, but I think we are gone too far by now. Many people are tired of hearing this, but Dominic Cummings "impressive" Rose Garden speech started breaking the unity in this. And this goverment defended him. So now there is a lot of people claiming they do their own risk assessment. I think if they had properly punished any breach (including the MP that travelled while knowing she had it, who should face public health charges), then the public would be more agreeable. Still, I think we should comply with the law or guidance to the best of our abilities and try to avoid contact with others as much as we can.

@Flyonawalk but is it worth the risk? you can still pass it to just one person, one person can spread to three without distancing and personal measures. The worrying thing with covid is it’s being asymptomatic in some. Still being able to pass it on without knowing.

I wouldn’t want to do that to my family or friends, could not live with that guilt if something bad happened to one of them. Just for a brew...

[quote ChasingRainbows19]@BrumBoo
I thought too that they were focusing on the big parties etc but actually they can and they have issued for a small gathering of or a brew....

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/man-fined-police-visiting-friends-19243401[/quote]
He was fined, not arrested. The rules are pretty clear and he chose to break them for an unnecessary reason. It sounds like he was caught out because the police were on the lookout for car thieves in the same area, so more unlucky than deliberately trying to catch him out. Still, the rules are there for a reason at the moment, not for the funsies of giving out fines.

It is worth remembering that some countries couldn’t lock down as it went against their constitution. Japan is one I think?

I totally agree with you OP

I wish there was a way for these people...to sign their rights to the NHS away

Don't worry love - your precious government done that for you already...they didn't bother discriminating amongst the 'plebs' ....what do you think all the privatization of services and suppliers WITHIN the NHS was all about?????
What do you think the decrease in funding was for?
WHY do you think PPE-supply has been such an absolute disgrace??????

The NHS was born on the war-front and the battle fields.....and yet here we are today.....with the NHS apparently unable to manage a 'crisis'.........

During a world pandemic Governments have a duty to protect it's citizens and they put in measures to do just that and although you have human rights they do not extend to putting other people in danger if illness and death.

Yawn.

SHUT UP