To think the govt has no right to tell me who I'm allowed to have in my home?

[HumanFemale1]

Anyone else feels the same? I just don't think this is OK. Govt making the rules of who I am allowed to have in my home or how many people I'm allowed to have in...

Especially when it's to keep a virus from spreading when the average death of a virus is higher than the life expectancy. But for any reason really. If the govt was making this rule for any other reason people would be horiffied.

There is an argument that the laws are not reasonable or proportionate, or passed in a constitutional manner, so yes OP, this is certainly a valid debate.
Laws do tend to get people very hot under the collar, especially when they involve criminalising what people see as 'reasonable' behaviour (think of the stories about self-defence) and obviously people are looking at this from a viewpoint of emotion and fear - which aren't the best things upon which to base criminal law.

Oh well, never heard of it.
Asian community? It's not common UK usage elsewhere, but in the north people say Mam.

No - white British - and it predates the US usage.

jakubmarian.com/difference-between-mum-and-mom-in-english/

DH was definitely born and breed in the midlands - for multiple generations - though in a more northern bit of midlands than I was from it was still very much the midlands.

I have actually been effected by it thank you @Lowkeevslucille. I've also seen people very adversely effected by lockdown.
I'm not, not following the rules. But then I also didn't jet off on holiday at half term even though I legally could, or when we were actively being encouraged to go out and socialise I didn't.

OnTheSeaShore, to which post have you awarded your biscuit? Surely not the OP’s - she made a valid and too-much ignored point about average age of someone dying of covid, which is higher than life expectancy. The limitations on health and freedom because of this virus make no sense to many of us.

[quote countbackfromten]@cologne4711 we weren’t overwhelmed with flu cases 3 years ago as I have described. 2017/18 had a bad flu season yes with high excess winter mortality but we didn’t get overwhelmed. Neither did we in the swine flu pandemic of 2009/10.

What we are facing now if left unchecked is exactly what I have described.[/quote]
The NHS was overwhelmed. There were around 44,000 excess deaths (not sure of the exact numbers) and my mother was meant to have an operation that was cancelled because of flu patients taking over wards.

This was in the south-west.

This isn't new, although it's obviously several orders of worse.

I agree with you OP.

You may choose to follow the rules to prevent the spread of the virus. But that is for you to choose. Not for the government to order. The latter is against our human rights.

@Chicchicchicchiclana

I don't actually think not having people outside my family in my home just for jollies is a serious restriction anyway? Of all the lockdown rules and guidelines I find this one quite easy to accept.

I do too, but I see the OP's point.

No i don't feel the same

We went hard and we went early. And we’ve been rewarded as a country-wide team by returning to life as normal.

Not quite as normal. You can’t open your borders until there’s a vaccine, the creation which you’ve effectively outsourced to someone else as you wouldn’t have the infection levels to test it properly.

So great for NZ sure, but relying on others to sort it in the longer term.

Yep I’m with you OP. I really don’t need the government to tell me how to assess risk. And especially not for a virus which most people have to be tested for to know they have it. Fortunately I live in a rural area and all of my friends are of the same mind set. We’re just crackIng on as normal.

@pontypridd

I agree with you OP.

You may choose to follow the rules to prevent the spread of the virus. But that is for you to choose. Not for the government to order. The latter is against our human rights.

so what about the rights of people who become infected or die by others selfish behaviour?

And do you apply the same 'rights' to people killing and injuring others through drink - driving, speeding, using guns, smoking (passive smoke) etc?

Or is it just covid rules you don't follow?

YABU for not positing this on the coronavirus board.

You can do exercise at home- most people I know have made gyms in their garages or spare rooms, or use parks

This is where things vary greatly @JinglingHellsBells
A lot of families I work with don't even have a garden for their children to play in. They're living in houses which are far too small for the families needs.

At one point in the stricter lockdown you couldn't even travel to a open space so those who didn't live near a park had no outdoor space.
Peoples circumstances and situations vary so wildly.

Following lockdown was/is relatively easy for me, I was working (key worker) as well as some work from home, me and Dp full wages so no money worries. Dp did convert the garage to a gym and we have a lovely big garden and are five minutes from woods/open park land.

I really don’t need the government to tell me how to assess risk

Looking at photos online of people mixing, and posts here from people not willing to curtail their socialising, it's obvious most people have no idea of risk.

It's not about your risk- it's about the risk you pose to others.

Have you heard of Joe Wicks? @Girlonit Ever see him on TV?

But JinglingHellsBells, some people will lose jobs, homes, businesses because of these restrictions. It’s a fair point that you have a right not to be infected by others. But others have a right not to be impoverished and disadvantaged by rules which (to many) make no sense.

I feel the same, OP. I just cannot get my head round the government telling me my own adult children are not allowed in my house.

they call anybody else with a different opinion to theirs a covid denier. I call it open minded...alot doesn't add up.

Alot off nurses, doctors and scientist are coming out and risking their careers and telling people that it's not as bad as they are making out and are being shut down and social media is being censored. Why would they risk it all for bo good reason?

YANBU.
The government control over our lives is horrendous.
More people die from suicide in a week in London than Covid, but mental health is now considered an indulgence on Mumsnet these days.

so what about the rights of people who become infected or die by others selfish behaviour?

What about the rights of those who die of cancer and road accidents etc etc?

We don’t ban traffic to prevent those deaths or lock people in to stop the spread of other viruses and diseases.

They let people passively breathe in cigarette smoke for years. We’re all breathing in toxic air and car fumes now. It’s been proven world wide deaths and long term illness is caused by this. But no government has yet banned cars or other traffic.

I agree. I pay my tax. I’m a sensible person. I have five good friends. I would not go to an illegal rave or a big gathering. But I will do whatever I want with my small circle in my own house.

YABU OP

@JinglingHellsBells have you thought about applying to become a Covid Marshall?!

@ScribblingPixie

It's pretty shocking, I agree, OP. And if you live in Scotland you have the prospect of the government being able to prosecute you for conversations you have in your own home, too. Quite a road we've travelled in a year - and will we be able to retrace our steps?

What conversations?

You've not exactly answered the questions have you @pontypridd?

There are around 2K road deaths a year.
We have had 45K Covid deaths in around 6 months.

People have a choice to drive or not. You cannot also seriously say cars will be banned? That's just barmy.

People will not have a choice to avoid your breath in public, in the same way.