To think the govt has no right to tell me who I'm allowed to have in my home?

[HumanFemale1]

Anyone else feels the same? I just don't think this is OK. Govt making the rules of who I am allowed to have in my home or how many people I'm allowed to have in...

Especially when it's to keep a virus from spreading when the average death of a virus is higher than the life expectancy. But for any reason really. If the govt was making this rule for any other reason people would be horiffied.

Its a good topic for discussion. I follow the rules but i struggle with the way the government can suddenly change things and control our lives the way they have. Not that the intention or reasoning is bad, just that the ability to do it so quickly i find alarming.

Tsk tsk those pesky Governments and their rules.

What is ODFOD

So my kid can go to school and sit next to somebody day after day but I can’t have that kids mum in my house for a coffee. I’m not going to be licking her face. The whole thing is OTT and typical British ridiculous. Everyone just needs to be sensible and stick to that.

I think it's reasonable to discuss it. Can people stop closing down debate all the time. You don't agree so express your opinion.

Actually, I don't agree, I think mixing inside is a bad idea, although I think eg not being allowed to have a PT session in my garden is nonsensical. But I can see why people have concerns about civil liberties.

Also the issue about what you say inside your home being policed isn't just an issue in Scotland, it is the subject of a project by the Law Commission in England, too.

Yanbu

Much about... did you not hear the world is in a global pandemic but you know better. So sick of the arses on here

For many, all the government should be entitled to what gives them more money, anything else is a sacrilege.

@Muchadoaboutlife

So my kid can go to school and sit next to somebody day after day but I can’t have that kids mum in my house for a coffee. I’m not going to be licking her face. The whole thing is OTT and typical British ridiculous. Everyone just needs to be sensible and stick to that.

Yes, that's right. It's about reducing non-essential contact between people in confined spaces see?

I agree. By all means dictate who we can see in a public space...but in my home? My family? Seems a very slippery slope.

@MoodieMare

Especially when it's to keep a virus from spreading when the average death of a virus is higher than the life expectancy.

I keep reading this, and keep thinking that I'm not just worried about dying though...... I'm worried that I might have life changing health issues because of it, or worried I may not be able to get treatment at the time I need it because I'm back of the queue of an overwhelmed NHS, and covid hasn't been around long enough to know who it affects and how and why to what degree of severity etc apart from the obvious that like most viruses like it, it targets the elderly and physically vulnerable the most because they're physically less able to fight it off.
Am I angry that I have to change how I live to save an NHS that has been pushed into the ground by years and years of mismanagement and underfunding? You're damned right I am!
I'm very angry that society is now having to suffer, businesses close, people lose jobs, people isolated from loved ones, exhorted to do our bit by the very people who've put the NHS in the shit state it's in right now.

But my anger will solve nothing, refusal to do it will solve nothing. Where we are right now, we've got to work with what we've got.

This all day long.

@GeorgiaMcGraw

It's a fair concern and discussion to have. What rights do we have an individuals, what powers should the state have? If we allow these intrusions, what others will we allow (e.g. policing speech in our own homes)? And is this truly a necessary emergency measure that will be temporary - I can't remember who said it but it reminds me of tge quote "There is nothing so permanent as a temporary Government programme."

I think it was Edward Snowden who said it. Great quote

Govt making the rules

Is that not the purpose of the government?

If you'd been alive in the war you'd have insisted that the government had no right to tell you to black out your windows because civil liberties. And if your neighbours' houses got bombed that was nothing to do with you, besides these people keep exaggerating bomb damage, you know lots of people who haven't been killed by bombs.

Unfortunately people like you exist so the government has to make l s and force people to do things. You aren’t as important as you think you are.

Ffs. How stupid.

For all those biscuits, it really is a huge freedom we have been asked to give up.

There does seem to be a view its not OK to discuss if the majority would rather take the risk of catching it /cope with the NHS being out of action for 2-3 months, or are we all completely on board with this.

I do think we need to have restrictions, but once those restrictions go inside the home that I feel uncomfortable. I'd find it easier to accept limits on what type of companies can trade, limits on which educational places are allowed to be open etc, than who I'm allowed to have in my own home.

@AlternativePerspective

People like you spend far too much time focusing on the people who are dying that you seem to have lost sight of those who have survived with serious long-term health problems.

Someone on my FB timeline had COVID in the very beginning. On the day she fell ill she ran 9km because that’s what she used to do. Now she can barely get out of bed some days, is constantly breathless and exhausted.

Someone like Kate Garroway’s DH survived, but survived is about as far as it goes. He can’t walk, talk, move, he is in a hospital bed and they have no idea whether or for how long he will survive. But at least he’s not dead eh?

I am a flu survivor. Four years ago I ended up on full life support after I contracted the flu, was diagnosed with a genetic heart condition and also with additional heart complications brought on by the flu virus attacking my heart. I spent 2.5 years unable to walk more than about 20 yards without having to stop for breath, unable to pick up anything like a saucepan, or get a tray out of the oven because bending down made me breathless. I have had to be defibrillated after my heart rate shot up to 220 bpm and I’ve also had a cardiac arrest and subsequent CPR.

I’ve since had surgery to increase my quality of life and for now I’m doing well but my future lies in a heart transplant. So I have a fairly good understanding of what surviving an illness as opposed to dying from one actually means.

But if you catch COVID then I think of it as natural selection at this stage... So crack on, because you’ll be the one who’s ill, not me.

And this.

A friend caught COVID at Cheltenham. He had a stroke whilst in a coma and is now learning to walk, talk and feed himself again. He’s gone from a fun-loving and perfectly healthy 50 year old to a shell of a man. His son, my godson, couldn’t visit his father in hospital (he was there for 17 weeks) and didn’t know if he would ever see him again.

If that kind of roulette game sounds like fun to you, OP, crack on.

@Twistered

What is ODFOD

Oh do fuck off dear.

You're right. It's all driven by a big secret cabal of people who hate visitors.

(of all the things that irk me about lockdown, not having people in my home is not one of them)

And if you live in Scotland you have the prospect of the government being able to prosecute you for conversations you have in your own home, too.
This is a terrifying prospect. Can it be prevented?

@Twistered It's banned, that's what it is.

Never question, never question.

Fwiw I am 'obeying' the diktats, doesn't mean I don't find it a little scary and not quite right that I can be banned from seeing my parents in my own garden.