To think the govt has no right to tell me who I'm allowed to have in my home?

[HumanFemale1]

Anyone else feels the same? I just don't think this is OK. Govt making the rules of who I am allowed to have in my home or how many people I'm allowed to have in...

Especially when it's to keep a virus from spreading when the average death of a virus is higher than the life expectancy. But for any reason really. If the govt was making this rule for any other reason people would be horiffied.

Another ffs from me

@Awomanwalksintoabar

I don’t think you’re wrong actually, OP. In France, the Constitutional Court ruled that the government couldn’t legislate on the number of visitors people could have in their own homes. And in Germany, the restrictions on how many people you can have in your house remains strong advice, rather than law. It’s a slippery slope, I agree. FWIW, people here in Germany are taking the “advice” - it doesn’t have to be a law for people to adhere to it.

There does seem to be a lack of trust in the Bristish public, by government and many posters here, to behave and follow guidelines.

I've followed every rule but asking question is apparently spreading covid in one persons mind on here.

I think it's setting dangerous precedents with the best of intentions.

@AJ1425

Yanbu. Its quite worrying how people are so easily giving up quite important civil liberties under the coronavirus restrictions without so much as a second thought. And if you express any concern about it you are a conspiracy theorist or selfish or stupid.

This.

Yes, very dangerous precedent.

Our freedoms are a lot more fragile than people seem to realise.

Yawn.

Ditto what Agradadecida and KitKat said.

Please don’t waste a hospital bed if you get sick.
Stay home and invite your friends round to party instead.

@HumanFemale1

The police are not going to come to your house and arrest you/your mum/your neighbour Shirley and her cat for coming over for a cuppa, stop sensetionalising. They are threatening fines and such for taking the piss, and those shown to be doing so are getting punished quite rightly. It's about personal responsibility, and the less you take of it, the longer this will go on. The virus does give a shit for your civil liberties, unfortunately.

I can't believe that people can trivialise this with comments such as "yawn".

I agree with you completely. The willingness by people to give up fundamental freedoms is staggering.

It's a virus, we don't and can't control it because of its very nature. Nor can we really control who dies and when, much as we think we can. I wish people would accept that the human race really is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

@BuggerationFlavouredCrisps

Please don’t waste a hospital bed if you get sick. Stay home and invite your friends round to party instead.

The level of debate and reading comprehension on MN is as high as ever.

Did the OP suggest she was planning to have a party with her friends?

Thought not.

This thread shows exactly what I dislike the most about Mumsnet at times! The op has posted a reasonable and frankly important topic for debate. Yet other rather self important posters feel the need to belittle and shut the debate down. Why??? Does it threaten you in some way?
How about either scrolling on by or opening your minds to the possibility that others might not have the same opinion as you! And that doesn't mean their automatically wrong!!!

Op I too find it frightening how quickly we accepted the restrictions on our lives. Not because I feel they are unnecessary but because not too distance history shows that this type of restriction is how huge numbers of people are and were controlled.

Yes this is a pandemic and yes we must all do our bit but it is important to realise just how little control we do have over our own lives.

Oh get lost. It’s not just the elderly dying ( who have just as much right to a life as you by the way) but young as well.

You are what’s wrong with this country, selfish me, me me

@ScribblingPixie

It's pretty shocking, I agree, OP. And if you live in Scotland you have the prospect of the government being able to prosecute you for conversations you have in your own home, too. Quite a road we've travelled in a year - and will we be able to retrace our steps?

@ScribblingPixie Say what now?

If you want to have your mum over do you actually care if she gets covid? I'm not going to be dramatic and paint the worse case scenario but does it matter if she gets it? If not then carry on regardless. I'm 'allowed' to see my mum from tomorrow because we have done our lockdown but I'm not going to indoors. Because my children have been in school and for all I know we are incubating it. My mum would probably be ok but maybe not. Maybe it would just be a nice case of long covid .
No one ever thinks they could get covid or transmit it until they do.

This should be debate. It does not make you selfish, or a murderer to talk about this. Thank god there are still some humans who actually question things otherwise we would all be a nation of blind controlled sheep.
In a basic respect, ie you, a human living on planet Earth with your family, no one should have the right to tell you what to do, where to live, who to spend time with, what to eat, where to sleep. You are simply an animal living on the planet.
However, most humans live in the construct of a society. We get out food, shelter, medical needs and social needs all from this construct we have collectively made.
Society only works if there are leaders who decide upon and solve major problems. They only work if the majority in that society work together for the benefit of everyone.
Without leaders, and collaboration society wouldn’t exist. It’s an imaginary construct that only works so long as everyone believes in it.
This is the same as most constructs in modern life- others include
Money
Education
Companies and their worth
Counties
Countries
And many more! These things only work if every abides by the same rules. Ie everyone knows, and follows the rules that this is the Uk. If most people didn’t believe that this was the uk and that in fact there were no countries anymore, then the concept of countries wouldn’t exist! Same with money - only works if the majority believes in its worth. Anyway, I digress.
My point is, if you believe in, and are part of society and want the bemifits of that society (as you must be to even be posting on mumsnet) then you will be made to follow the rules that society has agreed on. Feel free to not agree with them but that is the downsides of living in a collective society. Sometimes you are not going to agree

@compulsiveliar2019

This thread shows exactly what I dislike the most about Mumsnet at times! The op has posted a reasonable and frankly important topic for debate. Yet other rather self important posters feel the need to belittle and shut the debate down. Why??? Does it threaten you in some way? How about either scrolling on by or opening your minds to the possibility that others might not have the same opinion as you! And that doesn't mean their automatically wrong!!!

Op I too find it frightening how quickly we accepted the restrictions on our lives. Not because I feel they are unnecessary but because not too distance history shows that this type of restriction is how huge numbers of people are and were controlled.

Yes this is a pandemic and yes we must all do our bit but it is important to realise just how little control we do have over our own lives.

Well said. I believe the posters trying to shut down debate deep down agree that it's not OK but it is too scary to admit it so they try their hardest not to think about it...

I wish people would accept that the human race really is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I accept humanity is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. That doesn't make me apathetic though, doesn't mean I want to watch my loved ones choke on their last breath because I simply couldn't stay a couple of meters away from people, or just had to have people round my house for whatever non-essential reasoning. This isn't the Victoria Age, I thought as a society we had somewhat moved beyond 'people die anyway, what does one more outbreak of plauge/cholera/dysentery matter'.

The op has posted a reasonable and frankly important topic for debate. Yet other rather self important posters feel the need to belittle and shut the debate down. Why???

Perhaps because it’s already been debated at great length, and people are just sick to the back teeth of repeating themselves for the benefit of folk who don’t seem to have been paying attention for the last 8 months.

No, I don’t feel the same OP and I struggle to understand those that feel like that.

The government are doing this to try to save lives by ensuring the NHS be able to cope.

But I do understand people being upset about not being able to see friends and family.

@Northernsoullover

If you want to have your mum over do you actually care if she gets covid? I'm not going to be dramatic and paint the worse case scenario but does it matter if she gets it? If not then carry on regardless. I'm 'allowed' to see my mum from tomorrow because we have done our lockdown but I'm not going to indoors. Because my children have been in school and for all I know we are incubating it. My mum would probably be ok but maybe not. Maybe it would just be a nice case of long covid . No one ever thinks they could get covid or transmit it until they do.

She's been working since March comin in contact with lots of customers every day so she has more of a chance at getting it from work than from me.

Are you American, @HumanFemale1

You write 'Mom'.

@Chloemol

Oh get lost. It’s not just the elderly dying ( who have just as much right to a life as you by the way) but young as well.

You are what’s wrong with this country, selfish me, me me

Healthy 39 year old yesterday and a teen earlier in the week i’ve seen mentioned.

Every life matters, we should be doing what we can to save as many as possible.

I agree that this is a serious concern and sets a dangerous precedent. I am absolutely on board with taking precautions, minimising spread etc BUT unlike in March /April we now know that this is highly likely to be around for a long time. The vaccine looks set to be only partially effective and possibly short term in impact so we have to evolve a way of living in the long term, and banning family and friends from interaction long term is not feasible. Many many conditions can strike suddenly and have devastating effects. There has to be a middle ground between 'letting it rip' and the current restrictions. The gov should be prioritising hospital capacity and getting people back to as close to normal as possible to fund it via taxation.

I just don't get it.
I keep hearing oh the government are to blame that this is out of control... then the government are trying to control us I won't do it.
Ffs