To think the govt has no right to tell me who I'm allowed to have in my home?

[HumanFemale1]

Anyone else feels the same? I just don't think this is OK. Govt making the rules of who I am allowed to have in my home or how many people I'm allowed to have in...

Especially when it's to keep a virus from spreading when the average death of a virus is higher than the life expectancy. But for any reason really. If the govt was making this rule for any other reason people would be horiffied.

@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants

Are you new?

If not I'm sure you can find the Corona Virus Topic & join in one of the eleventy billion threads there, instead of acting like you've had an original thought.

Yup.

I feel like you can do what you want IF you opt of out NHS care completely. If you and your family/friends want to fuck around against pandemic guidance and all get infected, you should be left on own your own without government assistance as you shouldn’t be a drain on scare resources.

I remember a song (I think by Richard Stilgoe) about all the people who have 'a statutory right of entry to your home'. It had more than one verse.

I wonder why the virus isn't going away .

@AlternativePerspective

People like you spend far too much time focusing on the people who are dying that you seem to have lost sight of those who have survived with serious long-term health problems.

Someone on my FB timeline had COVID in the very beginning. On the day she fell ill she ran 9km because that’s what she used to do. Now she can barely get out of bed some days, is constantly breathless and exhausted.

Someone like Kate Garroway’s DH survived, but survived is about as far as it goes. He can’t walk, talk, move, he is in a hospital bed and they have no idea whether or for how long he will survive. But at least he’s not dead eh?

I am a flu survivor. Four years ago I ended up on full life support after I contracted the flu, was diagnosed with a genetic heart condition and also with additional heart complications brought on by the flu virus attacking my heart. I spent 2.5 years unable to walk more than about 20 yards without having to stop for breath, unable to pick up anything like a saucepan, or get a tray out of the oven because bending down made me breathless. I have had to be defibrillated after my heart rate shot up to 220 bpm and I’ve also had a cardiac arrest and subsequent CPR.

I’ve since had surgery to increase my quality of life and for now I’m doing well but my future lies in a heart transplant. So I have a fairly good understanding of what surviving an illness as opposed to dying from one actually means.

But if you catch COVID then I think of it as natural selection at this stage... So crack on, because you’ll be the one who’s ill, not me.

This.

I have never in my life had respiratory problems. I lift weights and work out. I work very long shifts in healthcare constantly on my feet.

I have had covid. And now I struggle to breath and get short of breath walking up the stairs. I can't work a full 12 hours shift like I'm used to because I can't breathe. My chest and lungs hurt and ache, I get dizzy, I have headaches almost all the time. My sats are finally back up to 98/99 but I still feel like I'm struggling. Trying to walk when the air is cold hurts my chest. I'm scared it won't ever get better, just have to hope it does.

@DisgruntledGuineaPig

For all those biscuits, it really is a huge freedom we have been asked to give up.

There does seem to be a view its not OK to discuss if the majority would rather take the risk of catching it /cope with the NHS being out of action for 2-3 months, or are we all completely on board with this.

I do think we need to have restrictions, but once those restrictions go inside the home that I feel uncomfortable. I'd find it easier to accept limits on what type of companies can trade, limits on which educational places are allowed to be open etc, than who I'm allowed to have in my own home.

Huge freedom?

For a brief amount of time.

I think it's a tragedy for businesses and people in hospitals and care homes but the majority can cope with not having their bezzy mates round their houses

Christ, who are these people that are still running out with this bollocks?

I dont think of it as control. More necessity.

Because it is a virus @sunshinecake. It isn't going to 'go away'. We will learn to manage it, vaccinate against it and cure it, but we won't get rid of it. 🤦‍♀️🙄

Look OP didn’t the Government tell you personally that it applies to all in England but not personally to you? As Boris has been busy today remembering the War Dead perhaps he’s going to telephone you tomorrow.

Oooh, it's Goady Fucker time.

Yanbu. Its quite worrying how people are so easily giving up quite important civil liberties under the coronavirus restrictions without so much as a second thought. And if you express any concern about it you are a conspiracy theorist or selfish or stupid.

YANBU and the rules make no sense at all

The severity of the second wave isn't the governments fault. It's the fault of the many people like you OP who feel hard done by.

I’m fine if people don’t want to follow the rules, not wear masks, not socially distance or keeping seeing loads of people. However you then can’t have access to doctors / a&e / fire / police etc and you better not be in the supermarket with people that don’t think like you or use a check out (self check out only).

You can’t have your cake and eat it.

It’s not just about death rates it’s overwhelming of our services / long term affects on people / other people other than yourself.

It does make me quite angry when people are so self centred or stupid?

I think many of the current lockdown rules are illogical in terms of tackling the virus. Eg stopping people doing outdoor sport will barely make a difference. However not socialising indoors including in homes is the one thing that could make a substantial difference to the spread of covid. It is a pity that too many people did not use their common sense and stop indoor socialising of their own accord and we have ended up having our lives controlled in this way by the government. People also use the argument that if the kids are at school all day why can’t they have the same kids for a party or sleepover. Surely it is obvious that at school there are measures in place such as everyone facing forward and the windows wide open. If your child has their best friend back for a sleepover they will probably be spending 8 hours or more in a room with the windows shut and chatting facing each other. Thus the viral load and risk of infection will be much higher.

So what I'm hearing is sacrifice the elderly, and the vulnerable. Push the NHS past it's surge capacity so anyone that needs any medical treatment is turned away and surgeries are cancelled. For you to see people at home? Your personal pleasure is worth significantly more than the lives of the clinically vulnerable. Would it also be worth more than our healthcare system which is what the government is trying to protect, yes in a slightly flawed way but they are trying to preserve our economy and they are trying to ensure your friends and family have access to medical treatment whether that be for a long term health condition, for a broken arm or for covid. So your preference is to have a cup of tea and a little chat, I'm sure that's what we would all prefer but ultimately these restrictions are not about your personal preferences they are an attempt to keep emergency medicine accessible and that will, at least for me be far more important than having a little chat in the garden that could realistically be done with a phone call or a zoom call. But yes of course your little chat is more important then healthcare. reassess your priorities have some empathy and maybe then think outside your little bubble.

The subject of what can be policed in homes has always been a topic, including about dogs being out of control. The can’t bite people in private places now (yes, terrible pun...).

Its not just about dying of it though, is it? If we look at it in a black and white manner (and remove all compassion for the sick and old like the OP), the longterm effect on younger, healthy people is of concern. I speak as someone who had an similar illness 10 years ago that could have easily killed someone elderly or with preexisting conditions. I was perfectly healthy and still feel the effects of it.

Risking millions having longterm health issues is bad for the economy, will call for more social care in the future (when it's dire now) and we simply have no idea how it will effect future generations (those not born) in terms of passing on health and social issues of a not-fully-healthy humanity.

You feel the government has no right to ask you to help reduce the spread of a deadly virus - yet if you catch said virus, I'm sure you'd feel it was the government's responsibility to hospitalise and treat you.

@corythatwas

If you'd been alive in the war you'd have insisted that the government had no right to tell you to black out your windows because civil liberties. And if your neighbours' houses got bombed that was nothing to do with you, besides these people keep exaggerating bomb damage, you know lots of people who haven't been killed by bombs.

If you can't see the difference between the govt telling you to black out your windows and the govt telling you the police can come in your home and arrest you if you have your mom over for a cup of tea I don't know what to tell you...

I agree, I am also outraged by this moment!

Can’t say I disagree actually....

well, it has. that right

so there you go.

YABVU....