To think the govt has no right to tell me who I'm allowed to have in my home?

[HumanFemale1]

Anyone else feels the same? I just don't think this is OK. Govt making the rules of who I am allowed to have in my home or how many people I'm allowed to have in...

Especially when it's to keep a virus from spreading when the average death of a virus is higher than the life expectancy. But for any reason really. If the govt was making this rule for any other reason people would be horiffied.

borntohula not my option but if u continue to think u can do precisely what u want and if no one likes it they should be behind closed doors then it won't be long before your behind closed doors against your will.

I agree op.

I will have who I want it my home.

"Oh dear you really are limited in your understanding."

Patronising bullshit, some sort of superiority complex and an inability to accept that even though someone doesn't share your views, doesn't make them wrong or as MN likes to say 'a bit thick.'

@Sostenueto

borntohula not my option but if u continue to think u can do precisely what u want and if no one likes it they should be behind closed doors then it won't be long before your behind closed doors against your will.

I'll hold you to that... 🙄

Yr so funny borntohula

For everyone that bends the rules to suit themselves is another stint in complete lockdown and it will go on and on and on. So really all those who will have in their homes who they want anf do what they want as they have assessed their own risks ( but not anyone elses) you have only yourselves to blame in prolonging the agony of lockdown and that's why I find anyone who does that so funny! U moan about lack of freedom whilst creating that lack of freedom cis diddydums don't want to follow a rule so you can have yr freedom lol! So funny so pathetic! So stupid.

Haven’t read the whole thread just some of the comments.
One question: Is it a minuscule fatality rate because of the ongoing restrictions though? First a full national lockdown which bought the case numbers right down, masks, social distancing, lengthy closure of theme parks, indoor soft play, leisure parks, cinemas indoor dining, closure of hairdressers, salons, full school/college/university closures (big factor), holidays abroad, followed by tiered system and more effective treatment now
If all these restrictions were not put in place would the fatality rates still be minuscule?
Similarly with the flu we see deaths annually, nowhere near as many as with covid, but how many would happen if so many people didn’t get the flu vaccine and contribute to herd immunity?? Isn’t it the same government, health advisors and scientists that have put in place so many rules and regulations to keep the state and economy safe, secure and ensure the public’s wellbeing? The government already governs the way we live our lives. There are rules and laws in place that we adhere to whether we like it or not. If we don’t abide by them there are often consequences. Yet the vast majority have accepted them as we know that they have the knowledge, experience, skills and data to make decisions far more effective than a member of the general public? Covid aside, all steps taken during medical procedures or treatments have been put in place by the same people, be it the drugs given to us during a tooth extraction or during a c section. The protocol and procedures followed when deciding to treat a cancer patient. We don’t question those procedures or guidelines then why are we questioning these restrictions that not only we have in our country, but many other governments around the world do too.

"I was commenting to DP today how it’s ok for masses of people to go to a supermarket yet restaurants, hairdressers and other businesses who have spent a fortune to implement social distancing measures are forced to close. If I try to look for any common sense in all this I can’t find it - just incompetence and abuse of power from the government in my opinion. "

Ffs. Really? No common sense? Lots of people indoors will increase transmission. But. People need to buy food. People don't need a hair cut. People don't need to eat out at restaurants.

I actually have more respect for people who can see the point but think 'fuck it, I'm young and I won't die' than people who despite google and the nhs messages and actual common fucking sense cant work out how a virus spreads and the difference between essential and non essential

There certainly are a lot of people and the OP who don’t understand exponential growth.
I love the person upthread who states they pay their tax and own their home so aren’t going to be told what to do. As if a virus cares about those two details.

Agree. I don’t follow government rules.

Agree with OP that it is very worrying that the UK people think their government should be able to prescribe who they can associate with and how many visitors they can have in their own private homes.

I think I had Covid in March along with lots of friends. I get that it's real and that we need to take precautions and stem demand at NHS hospitals. I am following the rules even when I think they're illogical, inconsistent and stupid. (E.g. the tennis courts in the local park were closed today so I couldn't play singles with my husband while the playground was rammed with kids and parents from dozens of households close together etc.)

But I think this govt has gotten way too granular with their rules and I have lost respect for the dumb people who have accepted government meddling in private relationships unquestioningly. We need to talk about civil liberties.

There are a lot of people saying that they should be able to decide whether they want to take the risk of catching and dying from the virus. Fair enough. If these people had signed a waiver saying they wont accept any help with medical treatment when they die. But they wont. They will accept the risk to their own health but expect the nhs to deal with the consequences. And that's not fair when as a result of their actions, there wont be enough NHS resource to deal with the consequences, especially if everyone acted like them.

If all of us had people in our homes regularly then there wouldnt be treatment available to all of us to deal with covid.

Quite simply if you want to government to pay for your treatment then you abosde by their rules. In my opinion

@Jaxhog

PS. I've isolated for most of the past EIGHT MONTHS. You're complaining about 4 weeks?

I've isolated for my Dh who is ecv. So have my dc who are staying at home and in their early 20s. None of us has been to shop since March, let alone pubs and restaurants. My parents are in their 80s, my df had a heart attack a few weeks ago. I've not been able to visit him since. We've not had anyone else in the house since March. We're lucky that we can wfh.

However, I totally understand why others are finding this very difficult to lockdown again.

But yes I agree a lot of the rules are stupid. I am be becoming increasingly aware its because people are stupid and cant process and / or instructions etc. I've seen multiple threads this week with people saying they have symptoms but dont need to get a test because they know its not covid, or they thought they only had to get a test because they needed 2 out the 3 symptoms or the symptoms to go on for at least 48 hours etc etc. People cant cope with more than very simple instructions, no way can most people do their own risk assessments

I'm so bored of posters getting on their high horse and saying "ffs" to everyone.

"It's about reducing non-essential contact between people in confined spaces see?" yy chicca.

I find it fucking painful there are people who still don't get this.

I didn't go to restaurants this summer, or have a hair cut, the less I did the better. I wanted to give my dc's the best chance of being at school and the virus less chance of moving around.

There not doing it for no reason

This lockdown is not all about protecting the elderly a lot of the very elderly are in care homes anyway. It is about bringing the rate of infection down, you have a lot more freedom now than in the previous lockdown. Is it really such a big issue to ask you to not have visitors for 4 weeks?

I agree with the OP however oohthestats has nailed it completely.

If you dont want to follow the rules, sign a waiver to say you won’t use the nhs.

This is exactly the issue, I agree completely that this is a massive infringement on liberties, however we can’t swamp health services.

"And that's not fair when as a result of their actions, there wont be enough NHS resource to deal with the consequences, especially if everyone acted like them."

According to the National Audit Office, at the height of the epidemic in April, with the highest Covid bed occupancy, only 42% of hospital beds were occupied by Covid patients. (43% were unoccupied)

Bearing in mind that more people are aware of Covid now and voluntarily taking care not to catch/spread it than in March, when spreading was at its peak, I think it is very valid indeed to ask if it's right that the Government impose restrictions on its citizens by law.

If they are expecting the public to let go of some of their freedoms the very least they can do is let go of their ideology.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/04/tory-linked-firm-involved-in-testing-failure-awarded-new-347m-covid-contract

@Gmom

Agree with OP that it is very worrying that the UK people think their government should be able to prescribe who they can associate with and how many visitors they can have in their own private homes.

I think I had Covid in March along with lots of friends. I get that it's real and that we need to take precautions and stem demand at NHS hospitals. I am following the rules even when I think they're illogical, inconsistent and stupid. (E.g. the tennis courts in the local park were closed today so I couldn't play singles with my husband while the playground was rammed with kids and parents from dozens of households close together etc.)

But I think this govt has gotten way too granular with their rules and I have lost respect for the dumb people who have accepted government meddling in private relationships unquestioningly. We need to talk about civil liberties.

I agree. A man was fined in Wigan for visiting a mate for a brew. Neighbours reported them to the police who turned up and arrested him. What upsets me is if you mention civil liberties though you get oh, if you don't follow the rules, you should be made to work in a covid ward, nhs should be allowed to refuse to treat you, etc If we aren't police state yet, we are rapidly heading that way

@Pixxie7

This lockdown is not all about protecting the elderly a lot of the very elderly are in care homes anyway. It is about bringing the rate of infection down, you have a lot more freedom now than in the previous lockdown. Is it really such a big issue to ask you to not have visitors for 4 weeks?

But we have been never fully out of lockdown in our area. No visitors in our homes since March. I wish it were only 4 weeks

Well i hope there wont come a time when they need that neighbours help.

@worriedandannoyed

The severity of the second wave isn't the governments fault. It's the fault of the many people like you OP who feel hard done by.

Surely whilst it isn't their fault it was completely predicted by the modelling at the time? Surprise hard and the second wave will be worse - we should have been preparing all this time.