To think the govt has no right to tell me who I'm allowed to have in my home?

[HumanFemale1]

Anyone else feels the same? I just don't think this is OK. Govt making the rules of who I am allowed to have in my home or how many people I'm allowed to have in...

Especially when it's to keep a virus from spreading when the average death of a virus is higher than the life expectancy. But for any reason really. If the govt was making this rule for any other reason people would be horiffied.

@VenusTiger

Wow some of the comments on here - whatever happened to those against a nanny state, where we decide and take responsibility for our family? The elderly couple who were found dead in their house recently, anyone want to find out why? Covid is not the threat it's painted to be by a model so way off its had to near enough be retracted.

Partying in the streets in US right now, no social distancing. Look at the bigger picture.

Enjoy it because my prediction is that very soon you will be like us or much worse

@EasterIssland

Don’t worry op ... whilst some of us haven’t seen our family because we’ve not been able to because borders have been close because the uk is in the state it’s ... you’re more than entitled to see your mum of course. You’re more important than some of us. Specially those who have died alone in hospitals because they have banned visitors. The economy ? Who cares if shops have to close because people keep bending the rules ! Of course you seeing your mum is more important than those losing their jobs ...

Please carry on seeing your mum. Your life is more important than any others of this country

I will carry on seeing my mom. The borders were never closed and still are not and my mom lives in another county. When I visited her recently it was perfectly legal to do so and still is, not breaking any rules here.

Do you see my problem with govts logic when making the rules now?

Enjoy it because my prediction is that very soon you will be like us or much worse

Erm - sorry? What's that supposed to mean @Time2change2?

Are you not aware of the situation with Covid in the US at the moment?

Jingkehelksbells

My elderly mother hadn’t been out since March. She was miserable and down and decided to come and stay with me last week. I didn’t put pressure on her. It was her choice and I was very glad to see her. She was on the brink of depression over this whole situation and took her time deciding whether to come or not.

I’m so glad she did. We had a lovely week together. I might not get more chances to do it at her age. It helped her mental state no end. I will reiterate; it was her choice to come. She, as an adult, weighed up the pro’s and cons and came to her decision.

And that really is what all this is about. Grown adults weighing up risk and making their decisions according to what feels right to them.

Who are you, or anyone else, to deny people this?

@Mumtwoboys90

Yanbu. I also don't understand the whole " carry on breaking the rules but don't use the NHS if you catch it" argument. Does that also apply to the millions of people who smoke all their lives and get lung cancer or obese people who end up very ill with diabetes and cost the NHS millions? Are they not entitled to health care either then?

Shh don't give them any ideas!

@MaxNormal

I'm horrified at the sheer levels of aggression around this subject. We've just had huge amounts of government intrusion into our personal lives and ability to earn a living. This should absolutely be up for scrutiny and discussion.

Absolutely.

The Americans have woken up and sorted their shit out. Now we need to.

@EasterIssland glad that you could visit her. Some of u have not been able to. Borders might not be closed but there is quarantines that at Least for me affect. Also the Fligjt to visit my parents has been cancelled twice. So yes. Border might be opened but there is not much way for me to be able to do it. Because people in this country and where I’m from think they’re special and can do whatever they want. However many of us not being able to see our families for over a year for me at least is less important than those dying alone cuz visits aren’t allowed to hospitals. Or those being told they’ve cancer during an appointment and having nobody next to them when being told. The longer the pandemic and the avoiding following the rules ... the more people will be going through difficult times alone. But don’t worry enjoy seeing your mum.

Sorry my above comment is for the op

@JinglingHellsBells

Can we stop assuming that all who do not agree with the rules are "selfish"? I

No we can't.

Agreeing with and following are different anyway.

Not following is selfish.

A course of action isn't selfish just because you don't agree with it.

If you don't agree with it come up with a reasoned argument why you don't agree with it. Just calling it selfish isn't an argument, just emotion.

We are complying with the rules 100%, but this is the one that sticks in my craw. Telling people what they can do in their own homes seems like a different level.

Life is too short not to see your loved ones. My DM is very ill, it's not out of the realms of possibility that I won't see her again, due to Covid. Just see your mum ffs.

I'm horrified at the sheer levels of aggression around this subject. We've just had huge amounts of government intrusion into our personal lives and ability to earn a living. This should absolutely be up for scrutiny and discussion

I agree. I actually think most of the restrictions (the inside ones) are proportionate. I don't agree with the outside ones because the chances of catching covid outside are minimal. That doesn't make me selfish or a granny killer. I wouldn't go into a crowded pub right now, but I would run a parkrun.

Too much emotion, too little thinking things through.

It is legitimate for people to question whether the government here (and those in other countries) is going too far.

[quote PriceEmUp]@chickenyhead ah thank you!

@HumanFemale1 do you have any special requests? Other than letting an aggressive virus kill off another umpteen thousand people?[/quote]
Yes I do. I want those elderly people who are most likely to be killed by this virus to be given a choice whether they wish to wither away alone between 4 walls or do they wish to socialize with family. I don't want the govt to make their choice for them. It's not right and you know it.

I repeat u can evaluate your own risk to your heart's content but what u can't do is put my or my families health and possibly life at risk in evaluating the risks you are prepared to take and the rules you intend to bend and break for your own selfish and thoughtless reasons. It is NOT your damn right to do that. Hope anyone intending to do it gets the maximum fine.

@Sostenueto

I repeat u can evaluate your own risk to your heart's content but what u can't do is put my or my families health and possibly life at risk in evaluating the risks you are prepared to take and the rules you intend to bend and break for your own selfish and thoughtless reasons. It is NOT your damn right to do that. Hope anyone intending to do it gets the maximum fine.

Stay inside then, if you don't want any risk. It's literally your only option.

It was her choice to come. She, as an adult, weighed up the pro’s and cons and came to her decision.

And that really is what all this is about. Grown adults weighing up risk and making their decisions according to what feels right to them.

The point is @MarieInternette that one person's breaking of the rules can be another person's death.

What if your Mum had ended up in ICU and took a bed needed by a 20 yr in a car accident? Or used nursing staff who could be working with a young cancer patient?

The reason we have a 2nd wave is because a lot of people did what they felt was right for them. Look at the situation in Manchester and Liverpool.

What about the greater good for humanity?

I want those elderly people who are most likely to be killed by this virus to be given a choice whether they wish to wither away alone between 4 walls or do they wish to socialize with family.

It's not black and white @HumanFemale1

My mother is very elderly. she is not withering away. Nor does she want to meet people and risk getting Covid. Friends of hers have had it and 1 has died- lives 1/4 mile away.

She is talking on the phone all day doing Zoom, texting, and gardening, reading, watching TV.

Yes, she is fed up but so are we all.

[quote EasterIssland]@EasterIssland glad that you could visit her. Some of u have not been able to. Borders might not be closed but there is quarantines that at Least for me affect. Also the Fligjt to visit my parents has been cancelled twice. So yes. Border might be opened but there is not much way for me to be able to do it. Because people in this country and where I’m from think they’re special and can do whatever they want. However many of us not being able to see our families for over a year for me at least is less important than those dying alone cuz visits aren’t allowed to hospitals. Or those being told they’ve cancer during an appointment and having nobody next to them when being told. The longer the pandemic and the avoiding following the rules ... the more people will be going through difficult times alone. But don’t worry enjoy seeing your mum.[/quote]
Claiming the reason why visitors are not allowed in hospitals is because people have not been following the rules makes no sense. During the first lockdown people were massively complying and yet you still couldn't have visitors in the hospital.

This will not pass if people follow the rules because the rules make no sense.

Explain to me how is me having a friend over for tea (breaking the rules) causing people to die alone in hospitals but me flying to another country (not breaking the rules) is not? I'll come in contact with way more people at the airport alone than when having tea with one friend...

Explain how going to the pub last week with 6 friends (breaking the rules) causes people to die alone in a hospital and going to the pub last week with 5 friends (not breaking the rules) doesn't?

I want those elderly people who are most likely to be killed by this virus to be given a choice whether they wish to wither away alone between 4 walls or do they wish to socialize with family. @HumanFemale1*

You forgot- 'do they wish to socialize, get Covid and die.'

It's as simple as this OP .. are YOUR behaviours HELPING the spread or contributing ?

@JinglingHellsBells

I want those elderly people who are most likely to be killed by this virus to be given a choice whether they wish to wither away alone between 4 walls or do they wish to socialize with family.

It's not black and white @HumanFemale1

My mother is very elderly. she is not withering away. Nor does she want to meet people and risk getting Covid. Friends of hers have had it and 1 has died- lives 1/4 mile away.

She is talking on the phone all day doing Zoom, texting, and gardening, reading, watching TV.

Yes, she is fed up but so are we all.

That's my point exactly. Your mother should stay inside because it is her choice, not because the govt is forcing her to.

And vice versa, the elderly who are withering away and wish to go outside and see their family should have a choice too.

@HumanFemale1 Your last post just shows how little you understand about the transmission.

A group of 6 risks passing it on to more people than a group of 5. You don't understand exponential, do you?

If you fly to another country (if allowed) you would quarantine on return to the UK if necessary.

Please don't continue to post and just confirm your ignorance.

@JinglingHellsBells I'm willing to bet that even people like you would not go along with this for the rest of your life. You'd just take longer to get to the 'fuck this' point than others.

Oh dear you really are limited in your understanding.

If my mother gets Covid the odds are she will die.
But on the way to the crem, she will be in ICU using valuable resources, possibly infecting nurses and drs, who will then infect their own families.

Your ignorance of transmission is shocking.