Not really a lockdown is it?

[MummaPI]

I'm confused, thought it was a repeat of March apart from schools but then I hear garden centres are remaining open and open gardens like RHS etc. Surely these are non essential journeys? I can see why they are open but not really a proper lockdown is it?

[quote NannyGythaOgg]@SheepandCow
You are the 'charmer'

Kids die of flu every year - healthy kids die of flu every year - not a lot but too many. Kids with health issues die of flu every year - again not a lot but more than die of Covid. They also die of other things that can be treated BUT aren't because fucking Covid.

Life/Illness/Death is not just a one trick pony - even if you are.

Long Covid - post viral syndrome - been around forever

Suicide is terminal - far more than Covid is[/quote]
Agree, kids arent at real risk of covid which is why schools are open but some people live in perpetual terror believing stuff they see on twitter

It’s definitely not normal life though is it 🤷‍♀️

Lock down lite indeed. I hope people are allowed to sit on benches this time and I'm some pleased they can drive to the nt etc.

However it's all a nonsense to me, we are connected to 100s through schools.

Unless you lock down everything like last time + it’s not possible to put together rules that are in anyway consistent. There’s always an arbitrary element. It’s like reducing fractions. You have to knock out absolutely everything people could do outside the house to an absolute minimum before you knock out inconsistencies.

It’s an almost impossible one to get right (notwithstanding I feel it must have been possible to do slightly better)

It's a load of fucking nonsense, is what it is.

its completely nuts if schools and universities are not shut and soon
this bloody virus will rattle on killing and destroying lives..
oh or is it ''our '' selfish behaviour if everyone did the right thing by each other we would be nearer to coping ,All those who jetted off to Spain in the summer for a tenner on Ryan air etc, (''desperate to have a holiday") are they aware that the latest wave
is the same genetic strain of covid as the one that started in agricultural workers in spain the begging of their second wave!
We must start pulling together for the greater good ,and teach our children how to behave ,instead of behaving like spoilt 10 year olds

@Dan1980
Children aren't on their own at school.
Adults are there to look after them. Teachers and support staff.

Children also don't live on their own. They live with adults.

I didn't even see the first lockdown as an actual lockdown let alone this second one. Hearing how other countries handled things makes our's sound very comfortable

Look at what a state we're in now though and you just know there'll be a third lockdown and so on

Professor Devi Sridhar always so wise:

How easily some forget the fragile relationship humans have had with germs over history.

It's really so simple:

The best option, for the health of people and that of the economy, is to pursue a 'maximum suppression' approach" @devisridhar writes: get case low, monitor border, test, trace, isolate

I just want to run outside and scream, "IT'S SO ILLOGICAL!". In fact the rules do permit me to do this as long as I stay within the boundaries of my garden, or claim it as part of my daily exercise.

But, yes, a half-hearted not really proper 'lockdown' is rather pointless hardship.

Do it once properly and it's worthwhile. Keep borders restricted (and for some time after opening up), have a well functioning test, track, and trace - and Bob's your uncle. Containment. Saves lives and the economy.

@MissClarke86

By law schools should offer 2 hours of physical activity a week.

Anymore than that and something else has to drop - less reading, less maths, no art. As a teacher, I think it’s enough and a good balance. They don’t need to be doing organised sport to be active. I’m glad they still get PE in school though, and it makes the cancelling off outside sports a little easier for them.

This is hilarious. My child's old school did 2 sessions of PE per week. The session included the time for these kids to get changed before abs after. It was nor 2 hours of activity each week. And once underway there was a lot of standing about. In contrast to my friend's child at a private school the difference is stark. That child was getting 2 hours every day of sport and outdoor activity. And that did not include changing before and after. There is a happy medium but 2 hours a week, especially when it is not 2 hours, is woefully short of what is actually recommended for children.

Yes. The school day should be longer. How do we bring up a nation of hard workers if they start at 9am and finish at 3pm (or earlier at the secondary schools near me)?! Make the day longer and add in more extra curricular activities like sport drama art etc
And yes. I'd pay more taxes for that to happen.

@shinynewapple2020 government have ordered all tennis courts - indoors and out- to close. Along with a bunch of other places.

Feels disproportionate tbh to close outdoor courts. I'd love to know their reasons. Are their significant number of clusters that can be linked to a knock about at the local court?!

I think the hope is that the majority will stay at home and not go out for unnecessary goods or trips. If the odd few think they have to go out for whatever it is that they can still do/buy then so be it

What an odd comment to make / the majority of people in England do not do their good shopping online (though pandemic has brought about an increase). So of course people will go out to buy food

I'm on my way into work (teacher) and take a train into London then tube across it. The train is as busy as ever with some standing (still only one per two seats as normal).

I should say as busy as ever - since July/September rather than pre-lockdown 1.

Will not feel too different for me.

Full time teacher, this term is always a hard one and I rarely manage to go out anyway. (Add to that, I currently have 2 staff off. I work in FE so we don't take on agency staff when cover is needed and have managed to cobble together some sort of cover / on line delivery for their classes). I don't do much this term generally as I'm too knackered. DD1 doing mock GCSEs this week and next. DH working in manufacturing so still working too.

@MindfulBear

has it ever occurred to you that parents could do exercise with their children? bit of cycling before or after school or a bit of cross country running/jogging - make into treasure hunt etc a bit of youtube fun activities after school or before school.

Have literally just read the opener, it's a ridiculous lockdown, if you have a child now of school age say 5 years you cant meet up with one other person with them ONLY without them but if your pre school age child? Possibly 4 years old that goes to school still regularly but say 3 days not 5 then yes you can meet up with 1 other person and if they have children then that is more people and you could do this with different people all the time!!!??? Where is the logic. I understand the economy point BUT at the end of the day if the point is to relieve the NHS crisis it should be blanket lockdown. Too many contradictory rules laws and loopholes all over.

Here are the 9 differences between Lockdown No 2 and Lockdown No 1 ( thank you, BBC):

1. You can meet one friend... with your children
2. Schools and universities are staying open
3. Public toilets will not be close [did not know that]
4. 'Bubbles' exist
5. Click and collect services will be available [thought it was last time]
6. Sitting on a bench is allowed
7. You can take unlimited exercise
8. Dentist and opticians are staying open
9. Nobody will formally shield

For me, 2) probably means it won’t be a lockdown as much and not as effective as the type of lockdown we have back in March (or the much stricter ones in other countries). And 9) a bit of a bummer for the CEV because they won’t necessarily get the panoply of support available first time round .

What ameliorates this one for me is the flexibility given by 1), 6) and 7).

What makes it worse is that it’s now November and we won’t have the glorious weather we previously enjoyed to do 1), 6) & 7). And what also makes it worse for me this time round is that kindness seems to have gone (and it’s the ‘shut the elderly and vulnerable away and let us live our lives unconstrained’ / ‘they’ve lived their lives’ anyway approach or that The Vulnerable are The Expendable)

@Witchend

As far as I can see the non-essential shops round here have been very carefully stocking a few things so they have now got notices up saying why they're essential. The crafting shop is selling antibacterial wipes, some of the clothing shops sell handgel, and the sweetshop is also stocking some DIY things. Not sure if they'll get away with it, but they're trying it.

@Witchend - seems the government is applying a different definition of what’s essential / non essential this time.

According to that beacon of accurate reporting (Daily Mail):

A host of shops that closed during the first lockdown but are now classed as 'essential' have kept their doors open as the nation enters a second shutdown.

As seen under the first lockdown restrictions, all non-essential retailers were forced to close from Thursday.

But under new lockdown rules a raft of shops have newly been classed as essential, including craft and bargain stores.

Stationery store Rymans has remained open, and Timpson stores are also welcoming customers.

Robert Dyas and Wilko stores have also not been forced to shut under the current lockdown restrictions.

Laundrettes and dry cleaners are also classed as an essential service and allowed to continue serving customers.

Alternative health shops are also classed as essential under the new guidelines.

So maybe those non essential shops aren’t taking the piss as much as they seem to be doing?

Emmie12345
Pisses me off they have stopped kids’ outdoor sports

So yet again we e sacrificing our kids’ health physical and mental tp protect the elderly and vulnerable

Why thanks.
It's ok to leave my three children without their mom, is it? One is seven months old. My eldest never knew her biological dad but hey ho, mom is clinically vulnerable let's just throw her to the wolves.
It's for four weeks, just four. It will be over very quickly and will protect many clinically vulnerable and prevent many from suffering from covid and long covid.

It's a small sacrifice.

Hospitals, dentists etc are operating at almost normal capacity and catching up with the backlog. Compared to some countries we are very fortunate.

Well the school gates were as normal with large masked crowds. Local high school has decided there's no need for masks as most transitions take place outside and corridors are one way. Town full of folks popping in to 'essential' shops. Honestly, this isn't going to get any better is it.

The big difference this time is that you can go to work if you can't work from home. This includes working in other people's homes. I have a friend who is a cleaner. She cleans several homes four days each week. She can go clean all her client's houses while they're at home, but she can't visit me.

My son is a teacher in primary. He is in his classroom with 30 plus children daily, but can not visit his parents.
Makes no sense to me....