Not really a lockdown is it?

[MummaPI]

I'm confused, thought it was a repeat of March apart from schools but then I hear garden centres are remaining open and open gardens like RHS etc. Surely these are non essential journeys? I can see why they are open but not really a proper lockdown is it?

Pathetic, and people wonder why we are a nation of obese

Indeed. People relying on organised sports - instead of the wonderful (and free) natural exercise that is walking.

wilko round corner

The range stayed open the last time too. I've not shopped there since before lockdown as I strongly disagreed with their tactics to keep open

@tigger1001

How did they manage to keep open - yes, they sell a bit of washingg up liquid etc / but the stuff is largely non essential

*We need to let our kids live their lives in a free and full way

They should be our priority , not those who have lived their lives already*

I'm not childless but I am mid 40's not vulnerable and my children have left home.

I'll keep to the rules and not leave my house unnecessarily for the next month so your children can go to school. I may well lose my job because I work in hospitality.

But you keep on wanting more because your children can't possibly miss 4 weeks of whichever club they go to.
Unless of course you think I'll be dying soon

im willing to bet the sacrifices the childless are making so schools can stay open will be forgotten about once all this is over

Like I say, I'm not childless, but yes, this times 100

How do you think families survived in the Blitz. Kids being sent away, houses being bombed, rations, adult love ones being sent away to fight a war in a foreign country. This will end! This madness will end. Everything ends!

Beside the point I realise... but is that right about RHS gardens? I really hope so as we’ve booked a Christmas glow thing at Wisley that I was assuming couldn’t happen!

@Aridane

The range stayed open the last time too. I've not shopped there since before lockdown as I strongly disagreed with their tactics to keep open

@tigger1001

How did they manage to keep open - yes, they sell a bit of washingg up liquid etc / but the stuff is largely non essential

They put fridges in store and said they needed to stay open as food retailers

@MrsR87

The inconsistency is really getting to me. I’ve been in the classroom with 36 ‘households’ per lesson and my colleagues continue to do so , I can go to a garden centre but my mum an mother in law cannot come into my house next week when I am due to give birth to my first child to offer practical and mental support. I am not relishing the thought of doing this for an unspecified amount of time with no female family support. 😔

I had my baby in the last lockdown, I definitely wouldn’t have managed without their support. This is one of the rules in the gov site - ‘ Parents are able to form a childcare bubble with one other household for the purposes of informal childcare, where the child is 13 or under’ On that basis I would use one of them to help you with your new baby. Good luck x

Thanks, @tigger1001

Mine just retained it’s fridge with the soft drinks and pick up chilled snacks by the till - didn’t even bother doing anything else

I work at a Dobbies garden centre and I think it is unfair that other non essential businesses have had to close. We will be bringing in Sainsbury’s food but the rest of the stuff we sell is hardly essential. I feel really angry that they can get away with selling all the non essential stuff that garden centres sell. I hardly call plants an essential unless you are going to eat them.

It will be a different lockdown for me this time. My children will be going to school - which was a large source of mum guilt for me as I was still working away from home and couldn't help them with school work online - and my workplace will be fully open (nursery).

I will miss seeing family and friends and being in the garden (dark when I get home) but I will have my colleagues at work to have a chat with during the day. Other than that I will be staying home with shopping slots booked etc. As someone who works in an area that can't social distance it makes sense for me to avoid mixing too much as I could end up carrying it.

To make it worse I think the garden centres are going to be busier than ever because there will be no where else for people to go except supermarkets, food shops and garden centres.
What kind of a lock down is this anyway. It’s a sham.

@Aridane thanks for your kind wishes 😂 I already had Covid

@Mimishimi

Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz, Bergen - Belsen.

Why does ANYONE think what is happening is not related to those creeps!!!

What are you on about ?

It's really not. It's just: let's make food shopping as stressful as possible at the most stressful time of the year.

The government are trying to slow the spread of corona without the economy grinding to a halt again, it's a no win situation.

It’s all so crazy. Everyone is going out shopping and to restaurants today before the lockdown, crowds of people in Oxford Street. Off you go then, spread the virus, ..oh, wait.. you can carry on tomorrow ... going out to garden centres, supermarket shopping, dentist, banks are open, etc so not much difference. R number won’t recover and we will be in lock down again come 2nd December.... hang on .. what lock down ????

I’m fine with it as it is. Still got a load of cancellation emails etc

Haven't RTFT but @HolidayLetter your situation sounds horrendous. Have you had a benefits check by your local Citizens Advice Bureau. You may qualify for
New Style JSA (Based on national insurance contributions)
Child benefit (if your teens are in full time further education)
UC (if you put the holiday let property up for sale - the capital will be disregarded)
Council Tax reduction (Check your local authority rules on disregarding capital from holiday let property)

Also get some debt advice. They may be able to access charities who offer grants.

Best of luck and PM me if you need any further advice.

@LazyName

Yes I did wonder if we would be able to form a childcare bubble within the rules but it makes me feel so uncomfortable having to say to one of our mums that they cannot meet the baby while the other one can! I’m honestly not sure what to do for the best but it’s making me sick with worry and baby isn’t even here yet!

@Smelliethenelephant

Totally no logic to these rules. Garden centres OK but you can't have a game of tennis in the park?

I thought outdoor exercise was being encouraged ?

@Cuddling57

I don't understand the garden centres. Stay home, only go out for essentials. How is a garden centre essential? Are any of you involved in kids sport? I can see both sides of the argument but kids football involves a lot of households mixing from different schools which can spread the virus. Not involved with other sports so can't comment on them but I can see how they have decided on a blanket ban.

They said last time when garden centres were the first thing to open that (1) it was about not letting the plants die off and (2) garden centres are at least partially out doors

What is the definition of a "lockdown" then. What makes it lockdown or not?

For me this lockdown is less strict and won't change much for me compared to the last few weeks. But for me anything which limits our personal freedoms, such as limiting our ability to socialise freely and go where we want, when we want, is a lockdown.

@Aridane

I agree that @Emmie12345's post wasn't exactly nice but I don't think she deserves being told she should be in line for dying of Covid . That is a really horrible thing to say to someone .

@MRex

Everything crowded, indoor or close contact and non-essential is closed. Outdoors has lower transmission, there is no reason to stop someone going into a quiet outdoor space. The rules changed based on information known about likelihood of catching the virus, while keeping the economy open where possible.

Why are golf courses closed then.