Not really a lockdown is it?

[MummaPI]

I'm confused, thought it was a repeat of March apart from schools but then I hear garden centres are remaining open and open gardens like RHS etc. Surely these are non essential journeys? I can see why they are open but not really a proper lockdown is it?

@Ablemaybel

The big difference this time is that you can go to work if you can't work from home. This includes working in other people's homes. I have a friend who is a cleaner. She cleans several homes four days each week. She can go clean all her client's houses while they're at home, but she can't visit me.

My son is a teacher in primary. He is in his classroom with 30 plus children daily, but can not visit his parents.
Makes no sense to me....

You could do that last time. Lots of places closed when they didn’t need to. You were always allowed to go to work if you couldn’t work from home. The difference is, schools are open so workplaces will want staff in regardless.

To answer the op, no it’s not. It was my longest journey to work in months, I’ve never seen so much traffic here.

It's a less severe lockdown, tweaked to make it more bearable. I'm pleased that garden centres remain open, as my garden helps keep me sane. It's a shame that so many outdoor sports have been stopped, but it's good that playgrounds are still open, so young kids still have somewhere to let off steam.

It's easy to criticise the choices being made, and some of them don't seem logical, but I do think a lockdown is necessary to avert a total crisis in the NHS, which would then impact the economy too, if large numbers of sick people are unable to work and cannot receive treatment either. Hopefully 4 weeks of lockdown lite might buy us enough time to get vaccines rolled out to NHS and vulnerable staff, in December. Just 4 weeks of restrictions - we can do this.

It's not really about journeys. Despite some people thinking covid clings to car tyres it's about people mixing in close contact for extended periods like they would in the pub or restaurant. Personally I think they should leave all the shops open.

I should have said "buy us enough time UNTIL vaccines are rolled out". I realise perhaps I'm being overly hopeful, but if this lockdown saves lives by slowing infection rates down, I think 4 weeks of lockdown is a price worth paying.

@yearinyearout

It's not really about journeys. Despite some people thinking covid clings to car tyres it's about people mixing in close contact for extended periods like they would in the pub or restaurant. Personally I think they should leave all the shops open.

You mean like in schools and workplaces?

@sheepandcow
Well said.
my 21yr old extremely vulnerable son has been unable to live his “normal life” since March. Luckily he had just finished Uni & has no work commitments.
We are not just protecting old people!

Why is everyone so up for a strict lockdown? It's like this because there is NO need for us all to stay inside. Life needs to move forward.

The rates were falling under the tiers.

Do you know how many people at your local hospitals with Covid? There is ONE in mine.

The big difference this time is that you can go to work if you can't work from home.

That was allowed the first time around but the media and their shit stirring wrongly reported that it was key workers who could continue. This is why everything came to a grinding holt, the government were not expecting everything to close down over night. They massively underestimated how many companies would take up the offer of the furlough scheme.

OP are you put out that you still have to go to work, even after months of paid leave already??

I haven't had a single day off work this year due to covid, I'm not saying you are one of them but there's a decent chunk of people furious they aren't being furloughed again or their workplace is staying open. Even after so many months off, it's infuriating.

I think people are put out because they want to stay in, baking sourdough and gardening whilst being on furlough!! A lot of people loved it!!

@Remmy123

I think people are put out because they want to stay in, baking sourdough and gardening whilst being on furlough!! A lot of people loved it!!

I think you are spot on. People are so naive, I can see the supply chain in my industry starting to fail due to staff being furloughed when there is mountains of work to do, and tossing it off at home 'working'.

You could do that last time. Lots of places closed when they didn’t need to. You were always allowed to go to work if you couldn’t work from home

It would have been a relatively brave employer to do so absent really knowing how to create a covid secure workplace and in the absence of Zope

(POE, not Zope{

Why is everyone so up for a strict lockdown? It's like this because there is NO need for us all to stay inside. Life needs to move forward

I think it’s because of concern that without a short sharp shock of a firebreak lockdown, ‘lockdown light’ will lead to renewal of the current lockdown in all but name...

I have a friend who is a cleaner. She cleans several homes four days each week. She can go clean all her client's houses while they're at home, but she can't visit me. My son is a teacher in primary. He is in his classroom with 30 plus children daily, but can not visit his parents. Makes no sense to me

But it's not that those other things (going out to work) are safe and so visiting you would be safe too. On the contrary - they are calculated risks, and the more risks taken (i.e. your friend/son visiting you after having come in contact with dozens of other people are work), mean the virus has a chance to work its way through many more people.

It would have been a relatively brave employer to do so absent really knowing how to create a covid secure workplace and in the absence of Zope

In smaller businesses it was possible. There was no need to close down so many.

I think it's ridiculous that garden centres are still open, how are they essential but then clothes stores have to close. How does this make any sense.
Pubs and restaurants shut so there isn't any big crowds but he is happy for 60+ children and however many teachers/helpers to mix together 🤔🤦‍♀️
After school sports clubs are cancelled but then children can do the exact same sports in their pe lessons wtf this makes no sense at all.
I understand why all this is happening but the way it's being done makes no sense at all

I agree, it doesn’t make much sense.

The lockdown doesn’t seem to have affected my neighbours in any way, one is going overnight to her friend’s house, the other has friends over this evening.

@Hushhush89

I think it's ridiculous that garden centres are still open, how are they essential but then clothes stores have to close. How does this make any sense. Pubs and restaurants shut so there isn't any big crowds but he is happy for 60+ children and however many teachers/helpers to mix together 🤔🤦‍♀️ After school sports clubs are cancelled but then children can do the exact same sports in their pe lessons wtf this makes no sense at all. I understand why all this is happening but the way it's being done makes no sense at all

I think because some garden centres sell food and live stock food.

[quote belleofball]@sheepandcow
Well said.
my 21yr old extremely vulnerable son has been unable to live his “normal life” since March. Luckily he had just finished Uni & has no work commitments.
We are not just protecting old people![/quote]
Agree my DP is 27 and was on the shielding list as high risk. He actually got an email to say he shouldn't attend work and the email can be used as evidence/proof to show employer. It was from the department of health.

@BeakyWinder

OP are you put out that you still have to go to work, even after months of paid leave already??

I haven't had a single day off work this year due to covid, I'm not saying you are one of them but there's a decent chunk of people furious they aren't being furloughed again or their workplace is staying open. Even after so many months off, it's infuriating.

Put out? No, its my job and I love it. Months of paid leave? I wish! I worked through the Easter holidays and may half term, schools didn't close! My original observation was that it isn't like last time for lots as there is more open.

Yes let's have a proper lockdown.

Nobody to leave the house AT ALL unless they're a doctor working directly with covid patients.

Enough government issued water and gruel to last the whole lockdown. No need for supermarket or food supply chair workers to work.

No deliveries allowed. Most things aren't essential anyway! You've got water and gruel stop making a fuss.

No school, university or work, obviously.

No complaining. Moaning and whingeing attracts the virus and only the pure of heart will be spared.

I don’t think anyone is saying that, @KitKatastrophe (nice user name!)

Just about to finish our "fire break" here in Wales. Half term was boring as we usually go away but we did some DIY around the house. The second week we just had years 7&8 in. I really didn't like remote teaching.
I just went to work and came home. With most shops closed, I just went food shopping.
I teach in worst affected area in Wales and am concerned for next week when the whole school are back.
The shops are open from tomorrow and for the last 6weeks I haven't been able to go to the shops I usually frequent during to local lockdowns. I am not rushing out next week to the shops nor will I be rushing out to eat etc
I don't know if the fire break has worked. The numbers with Covid went down on Friday but they are still far too high.
Stay safe all.

Ah ok I misunderstood then OP. Most of my family and friends who work in schools had a lot of time at home, my mum only went in once between March-September! My friend was on a rota and did one week in 2 week off. They must be unusual.