Not really a lockdown is it?

[MummaPI]

I'm confused, thought it was a repeat of March apart from schools but then I hear garden centres are remaining open and open gardens like RHS etc. Surely these are non essential journeys? I can see why they are open but not really a proper lockdown is it?

@HolidayLetter

Seems that nobody is reading my posts.

Ah well. We evidently don't count, which says it all.

I wrote a reply to your post but it wouldn’t load. I’m so sorry - it sounds tough. What kind of industry are you in? Is there any support available? What would help? Big hugs xxx

@MummaPI

I'm confused, thought it was a repeat of March apart from schools but then I hear garden centres are remaining open and open gardens like RHS etc. Surely these are non essential journeys? I can see why they are open but not really a proper lockdown is it?

Why do you want even more restrictions on your liberty?

You can choose not to go to places that are open.

@HolidayLetter

Seems that nobody is reading my posts.

Ah well. We evidently don't count, which says it all.

I wrote a reply to your post it it wouldn’t load. I’m so sorry - it sounds tough. What kind of industry are you in? Is there any support available? What would help? Big hugs xxx

You only have to read threads on here to see how many of the 'rules' people are planning on bending. I'm not doing this .. I'm not doing that .. my personal situation is special so I'm doing this ..

Don't get me wrong, I do agree that there are situations where rules have to be bent or broken, particularly when someone is struggling badly with mental illness .. but a huge number of people are saying they're not doing it because they're bored, or fed up, or because it's not convenient.

I don't know how representative this is of the general feeling in the country as a whole, but I think the people who lose jobs or income through this second lockdown will have done so for no reason, because so many of the people for whom it's easiest to stay home simply choose not to do so, out of principal.

@Emmie12345 I am sorry your child can not play group sports for the sake vulnerable like my child.

• as a parent you can make other choices to keep them fit and healthy like bike riding, football on the park with you and more.

They don’t have to sit on the sofa like couch potatoes eating junk to cause obesity.

PMSl at R number of 3. I have reported my duplicates to MNHQ.

Thank you, @Nicknacky It is completely horrendous. I am going to spend the next however many years switching my credit card balance.

What's weird, and truly shitty, is that I would now have no financial concerns, if I had stayed with XH and had let him carry on abusing our children.

There is something very wrong in all of this.

@MadameBlobby
It must be a belated Halloween spook

Professor Devi Sridhar explains the situation so well in her recent Guardian article. She today retweeted someone's excellent comment:

Yet another article packed full of wise words: e.g., "in some ways, the people pushing for “herd immunity” are forcing us into these lockdown-release cycles because you end up in a reactive position by underestimating the spread of the virus and the hospitalisation rate

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/01/suppress-covid-england-lockdown-east-asian-african?

@MadameBlobby
I do choose not to go anywhere as I have vulnerable family members and feel my exposure at school is plenty! You have misunderstood completely.

@SheepandCow

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I think it’s MN being glitchy. Each post has an R number of 3.

@Sparklingbrook

I think the closing of pubs/restaurants/cafes makes sense (although terrible for the hospitality industry) as they are places people congregate and sit close with no masks. Also not going in and out of other people's houses makes sense.

Not sure about kids sports. Mine are all grown up, but I assume they are still doing sports at school? Problem with junior football etc is people cramming into cars and all the parents gathering on the sidelines shouting presumably.

Personality responsibility. Everyone keeps their distance. No need to ban.

IF the COVID transmission takes place within a four week period, or doesn't happen, then surely a five week fire break is needed?

IF the COVID transmission takes place within a four week period, or doesn't happen, then surely a five week fire break is needed?

@MadameBlobby
I do choose not to go anywhere as I have vulnerable family members and feel my exposure at school is plenty! You have misunderstood completely.
I also wasn't suggesting its not a lockdown, more that its not like the lockdown we had in March. Both keyworkers here and children in primary and secondary so we are very much not in lockdown!!

They can’t close garden centres, last time was a massive mistake, plants don’t just stop growing and they ended up throwing away a load of bedding stock etc. If they do that to the growers again they won’t re-open simple as that

But you could say the same corpus, pouring beer down the drain and some won't open again

The double/triple posts on MN tonight are making the site unusable aren't they?

They can’t close garden centres, last time was a massive mistake, plants don’t just stop growing and they ended up throwing away a load of bedding stock etc. If they do that to the growers again they won’t re-open simple as that

But you could say the same corpus, pouring beer down the drain and some won't open again

@JJsDinerWaffles Not quite sure what's going on here with the posts, but thank you very much for yours.

At the moment, there are only two things that would help me:

1. ditch lockdown completely, and let holidaymakers take their chances with Covid.

1. Think that's a really bad idea, and pay owners of holiday properties an amount equivalent to the amount they have lost in rental income, based on tax figures submitted over X number of years.

I could provide at least ten years of very precise figures. I completely understand that people take the piss with any kind of compensation, and that nobody wants to encourage that - but perhaps people with real, proper businesses, and accounts to prove it, should be allowed to make a claim which would at least mean they are breaking even?

The outgoings (mortgage, utilities, wifi, car parking charges) carry on regardless...

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@DenimDrift anyone who makes children feel that they're "the cause" of people dying is an arsehole. I'm not telling my 7 year old that lives depend on him staying at home, what sort of dick would put that burden on children?[/quote]
in years to come their will be some bitterness over it

@Sparklingbrook

The double/triple posts on MN tonight are making the site unusable aren't they?

Yes very strange!

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@DenimDrift anyone who makes children feel that they're "the cause" of people dying is an arsehole. I'm not telling my 7 year old that lives depend on him staying at home, what sort of dick would put that burden on children?[/quote]
I agree, Wax; best just to try to explain to kids that everyone has to be as careful as possible for a while because nobody wants to Covid to spread, being vague about possible deaths. I can imagine children being very afraid of that. Mind you, depending on how old they are, they will pick up bits from the news if they hear it, and at school.

I think if you press 'Post' and wait it will eventually post, but if you keep pressing post it will duplicate.

In March playgrounds were closed. My children are teens now, but it was sad to see the playgrounds cordoned off like a CSI.

My children are missing their youth club and sports club. They are spending too much time in their rooms, yet people moan if teens are out on bikes or hanging around. But their clubs are closed. They were closed last lockdown, while golf and garden centres were open. It felt like the places for the young were closed, yet places for older consumers were open.

In the summer I assumed garden centres were deemed as essential because of people growing their own food etc? But in the winter I'm not sure.

There is no logic.

@Sparklingbrook

The double/triple posts on MN tonight are making the site unusable aren't they?

Yes very strange!

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@DenimDrift anyone who makes children feel that they're "the cause" of people dying is an arsehole. I'm not telling my 7 year old that lives depend on him staying at home, what sort of dick would put that burden on children?[/quote]
I agree, Wax; best just to try to explain to kids that everyone has to be as careful as possible for a while because nobody wants to Covid to spread, being vague about possible deaths. I can imagine children being very afraid of that. Mind you, depending on how old they are, they will pick up bits from the news if they hear it, and at school.

@Sparklingbrook

The double/triple posts on MN tonight are making the site unusable aren't they?

Yes very strange!