Absolutely sick of the judgement, insults and negativity from both sides of the fence

[Completmentfille]

Just have to say this. This site is a fucking dumpster fire at the moment. On the one hand people going around denying covid is a thing, saying it's "just the flu", we should open everything up, screw the elderly and vulnerable, saying it's a government ploy to control us. On the other hand we have the salivating lockdown crew, calling all and sundry a "covidiot", angrily curtain twitching because their neighbour had their mum round for a cup of tea, shouting "IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL", blithely dismissing people's very real mental health struggles due to lockdown and insisting "YOUNG AND HEALTHY PEOPLE DIE FROM COVID", when the actual data clearly shows that, by and large, they don't.

Can we have some fucking balance please.

My personal situation is this. I have a mum who suffers badly with her mental health and also has a physical health condition which makes her potentially vulnerable to covid. She lives with my adult sister who also has mental health problems. Until 2 December, I won't see either of them per the lockdown rules. If the lockdown is extended, I'm afraid I will be seeing them because at that point the risk of them being isolated is higher than the risk of me infecting them with coronavirus. I may well pull my DS out of school in order for me to do this. Am I, in any way, the same as someone have 100 people over for a christening party, or someone having eight friends from eight different households round for dinner? Am I just meant to be "community spirited" about this and ignore them for months on end? And please fuck off with Zoom because no it is not the same and no it does not help.

It would be extremely nice if there could be a little bit of empathy on both sides here. It would be nice if the anti lockdowners could stop sneering at the very real concerns of teachers, HCPs and other people at risk of contracting covid from their jobs. It would also be nice if the pro lockdowners could stop being sneery and condescending about people's mental health and stop implying that lots are just making things up to bend the rules. That isn't for you to decide. You don't know what is going on behind closed doors.

You're in favour of the school's being closed?

Not very empathetic there are you about children losing out and what will parents do for childcare if the school's close?

I said if it is deemed necessary.

And I'm a working parent myself. So of course I emphathise with that.

See what I mean? You can't win. People genuinely don't believe that you can see both sides of an argument.

No, I don't want schools to close. Yes, I totally understand the societal ramifications and effects on parents and children if they do close.

But I also see it from the perspective of teachers who are put at high risk with no safety measures in place.

Shocking I know.

Fake sweetness and a pretence that we're all bumbling along happily 'in this together'?

Not at all what I said.

So again I ask you what about childcare if the school's close?

You said earlier you did want them to close?

@Twistered

Oh please You're in favour of the school's being closed?

Not very empathetic there are you about children losing out and what will parents do for childcare if the school's close?

Not to mention how it affects less-privileged children, massively.

@Completmentfille

"Absolutely sick of the judgement, insults and negativity from both sides of the fence"

Ok... so stop your judging, your insulting and your negativity then?

This has to be a wind up surely!

So again I ask you what about childcare if the school's close?

I have absolutely no idea, it was hell last time it happened.

Ok I've reread. You said if deemed necessary you in agreement with schools closing.
So what about childcare for working parents?

Ok... so stop your judging, your insulting and your negativity then?

Who have I judged and insulted?

This was a general rant, it was not directed at anyone.

Like I say I have ADHD and I don't always write things very well so I'm sorry if it came across in a way I did not intend it to

People are stressed, anxious, angry, miserable, confused; many are suffering financial hardship, none of us- even those currently well cushioned- have any real knowledge of what will happen with the economy and the virus, what do you expect? Fake sweetness and a pretence that we're all bumbling along happily 'in this together'?

Exactly. As ever, we are NOT all in this together.

Schools have to remain open. There's no other way.
As do other essential services

What's your thoughts on nursery / daycare for children where there's no ppe or social distancing ?

So what about childcare for working parents?

I really have no idea. What about lots of things? There is no perfect solution here. Who is more important, teachers and their families or children and parents? It's really not up to me or anyone else to make that decision.

If schools close again my husband and I both work full time and it'll be a fricking nightmare. OTOH I do understand where teachers are coming from on this.

I don't have the answers.

What's your thoughts on nursery / daycare for children where there's no ppe or social distancing ?

I have the same opinion, sorry when I say schools I do mean all childcare settings.

As ever, we are NOT all in this together.

I agree and never said otherwise.

I think people are attributing a lot of things to me that I didn't actually say, probably because of my poor writing.

Ok op so the risks have been weighed up. Potential risks in the school and potential risks to society overall if school's close
Hence why schools opened

Perhaps people think you're actually the government and completely responsible for making all the rules while telling everyone else to be nice. That would explain some of the comments.

Absolutely sick of the judgement, insults and negativity...fuck off...

Oh my good. God
ALL childcare settings to close?
Do you any idea what this would do?

Twistered you're honing in on me about schools for some reason like I'm disagreeing with you. I'm not.

ALL childcare settings to close?

Are you actually reading my posts? I don't think they should close!!!!

@Completmentfille

I haven't seen a single person on this site argue that they want to be able to have parties etc. Most saying they will break lockdown rules are doing things like seeing (mentally) vulnerable relatives or driving somewhere to have a walk.

Yes! Any being called selfish for doing it!

The Judgement is driving me crazy on here at the moment! Where has peoples compassion gone 😩

The consequences of closing all schools and childcare settings is just so huge. I will continue to clean snot, wipe tears etc with no ppe
And I'm happy to do so as I know two things

1. Risks are low
2. Kids need it. Full stop. So I suck it up and get on with it

I am sorry you had a bad experience on the other thread, but you are actually spreading the similar experience to others, by starting this thread. I wish I didn't read this. It's not very pleasant to read someone's aggressive ranting, however justified you are. Like you said, everyone has their own worry and hardship, so there maybe the reason why people say things.

Risks are low

Well for you they might be, mightn't they, but they might not be for others.

That's my point. You don't know.

Like you said, everyone has their own worry and hardship, so there maybe the reason why people say things.

I don't think that's a good enough reason to make other people feel shit, whether you're calling them a covidiot for going for a walk with their mother or telling a teacher to suck it up.