Absolutely sick of the judgement, insults and negativity from both sides of the fence

[Completmentfille]

Just have to say this. This site is a fucking dumpster fire at the moment. On the one hand people going around denying covid is a thing, saying it's "just the flu", we should open everything up, screw the elderly and vulnerable, saying it's a government ploy to control us. On the other hand we have the salivating lockdown crew, calling all and sundry a "covidiot", angrily curtain twitching because their neighbour had their mum round for a cup of tea, shouting "IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL", blithely dismissing people's very real mental health struggles due to lockdown and insisting "YOUNG AND HEALTHY PEOPLE DIE FROM COVID", when the actual data clearly shows that, by and large, they don't.

Can we have some fucking balance please.

My personal situation is this. I have a mum who suffers badly with her mental health and also has a physical health condition which makes her potentially vulnerable to covid. She lives with my adult sister who also has mental health problems. Until 2 December, I won't see either of them per the lockdown rules. If the lockdown is extended, I'm afraid I will be seeing them because at that point the risk of them being isolated is higher than the risk of me infecting them with coronavirus. I may well pull my DS out of school in order for me to do this. Am I, in any way, the same as someone have 100 people over for a christening party, or someone having eight friends from eight different households round for dinner? Am I just meant to be "community spirited" about this and ignore them for months on end? And please fuck off with Zoom because no it is not the same and no it does not help.

It would be extremely nice if there could be a little bit of empathy on both sides here. It would be nice if the anti lockdowners could stop sneering at the very real concerns of teachers, HCPs and other people at risk of contracting covid from their jobs. It would also be nice if the pro lockdowners could stop being sneery and condescending about people's mental health and stop implying that lots are just making things up to bend the rules. That isn't for you to decide. You don't know what is going on behind closed doors.

Not sure what the point is as I was responding to a poster who said such activities were rule breaking.

You were responding to me, and that isn't what I said.

No, ironic would be me demanding empathy while not being empathetic to others.

Who have I not been empathetic to? The entire point of my post was that I could see where both sides were coming from.

"Dumpster"? You mean a skip?

'Dumpster fire' is a known expression. 'Skip fire' isn't, as far as I'm aware. Yes, it's an Americanism. Do you have something against Americans? Are you aware that languages borrow expressions from each other all the time, and always have done?

@Completmentfille

I'm terribly sorry for swearing and offending your delicate sensibilities!

Obviously the real problem here is my swearing and not the hoards of posters calling others selfish twats or telling teachers to suck it up because it's their job.

Maybe you could, I don't know, try showing some empathy to people who try not to shout and rant and swear at others on here, and don't appreciate it from others when discussing such an emotive subject? Just a thought.

Do you have something against Americans

It's mumsnet, so I imagine so.

I get where you're coming from OP but Covid and lockdowns etc are such complex contentious topics that there will so many differing opinions and emotions

There is no one size fits all response for us all to have. Thus we have emotive debates on here.

I agree. But I also don't think it will change either unfortunately.
Wait until Thursday when we'll be treated to a month of "Should I report?" And "It only kills old people so I'm not staying at home" threads.
One thing I'm baffled about though is why death seems to be the only drawback from this illness for some. There's a whole spectrum of how it can affect someone, from no symptoms at all through to severe impacts on every day living and sadly death. Some people seem to think that only death is worth worrying about, I worry about being left with long term, or even short term, health problems as well and hope I'll be able to access any treatment should I need it to help with that.

I don't know, try showing some empathy to people who try not to shout and rant and swear at others on here

I wasn't swearing at anyone. I think you misunderstood my post. I'm genuinely sorry if it upset you.

I'm not sure why being upset/angry at the lack of empathy means the OP is lacking in empathy. Upset or anger and a lack of empathy aren't the same things.

I get where you're coming from OP but Covid and lockdowns etc are such complex contentious topics that there will so many differing opinions and emotions

I totally understand that, I simply don't think it's helpful to call others selfish twats OR to tell teachers/HCP that they have to suck it up and get on with it.

Anyway, you're being disingenuous. You state that you can see both sides, but it's clear which side you're on. And you slipped in a reference to statistics in your OP to support Yet you seem to show zero tolerance of people who take a more cautious view than you, while demanding it from others.

I'm not sure why being upset/angry at the lack of empathy means the OP is lacking in empathy. Upset or anger and a lack of empathy aren't the same things.

Thank you!

I totally agree OP.
I just can’t deal with it all anymore x

You state that you can see both sides, but it's clear which side you're on

It really isn't. I actually fully support the lockdown. I'd be in favour of schools closing if it were deemed necessary. I have a BIL who works in Covid ICU, a best friend who is a nurse and another sister who is a teacher.

@palacegirl77

Was the swearing necessary? Its a debating site.

Since when?

I totally understand why teachers feel taken for granted and unsafe. The way the government has handled schools returning has been a complete shambles.

I just think it's extremely helpful to said government that people are turning against one another and not against them. If they'd got proper test and trace in place and properly ensured that self isolation happened in positive cases and their close contacts, all of this could have been avoided. That they haven't done it is inexcusable.

What exactly is your point op when you seem to be aware of the exception that would allow you to visit vulnerable relatives who need care even during lockdown? You wouldn't be rule breaking in those circs. But in your op you seem to think this is forbidden. Maybe read the gov.uk site properly so you know the facts before the sweary rantiness??

Mumsnet a “debating site” like the Oxford Union thing !? How terribly exciting Palacegirl77. Do elucidate purleease.

@VanGoghsDog
Be empathetic as long as it's on your terms. Have I got that right?
Nail on the head there Van!😂

What exactly is your point op when you seem to be aware of the exception that would allow you to visit vulnerable relatives who need care even during lockdown?

Because I've been told on other threads that I'm bending the rules to suit me given that said vulnerable relative already lives with another adult.

My point being is we don't know the individual circumstances of anyone here, so it is not up to us to judge whether or not that relative is vulnerable enough to fall within the guidelines.

Or have you not seen the consistent dismissal of those with very real MH issues on here?

Oh please
You're in favour of the school's being closed?

Not very empathetic there are you about children losing out and what will parents do for childcare if the school's close?

When you're at the point where online chat is making you this stressed, it's time to log off for a break or find a different area of the forum for a bit.

When you're at the point where online chat is making you this stressed, it's time to log off for a break or find a different area of the forum for a bit.

No, I'm good. I have ADHD so I always go off in the deep end a bit.

People are stressed, anxious, angry, miserable, confused; many are suffering financial hardship, none of us- even those currently well cushioned- have any real knowledge of what will happen with the economy and the virus, what do you expect? Fake sweetness and a pretence that we're all bumbling along happily 'in this together'?