Absolutely sick of the judgement, insults and negativity from both sides of the fence

[Completmentfille]

Just have to say this. This site is a fucking dumpster fire at the moment. On the one hand people going around denying covid is a thing, saying it's "just the flu", we should open everything up, screw the elderly and vulnerable, saying it's a government ploy to control us. On the other hand we have the salivating lockdown crew, calling all and sundry a "covidiot", angrily curtain twitching because their neighbour had their mum round for a cup of tea, shouting "IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL", blithely dismissing people's very real mental health struggles due to lockdown and insisting "YOUNG AND HEALTHY PEOPLE DIE FROM COVID", when the actual data clearly shows that, by and large, they don't.

Can we have some fucking balance please.

My personal situation is this. I have a mum who suffers badly with her mental health and also has a physical health condition which makes her potentially vulnerable to covid. She lives with my adult sister who also has mental health problems. Until 2 December, I won't see either of them per the lockdown rules. If the lockdown is extended, I'm afraid I will be seeing them because at that point the risk of them being isolated is higher than the risk of me infecting them with coronavirus. I may well pull my DS out of school in order for me to do this. Am I, in any way, the same as someone have 100 people over for a christening party, or someone having eight friends from eight different households round for dinner? Am I just meant to be "community spirited" about this and ignore them for months on end? And please fuck off with Zoom because no it is not the same and no it does not help.

It would be extremely nice if there could be a little bit of empathy on both sides here. It would be nice if the anti lockdowners could stop sneering at the very real concerns of teachers, HCPs and other people at risk of contracting covid from their jobs. It would also be nice if the pro lockdowners could stop being sneery and condescending about people's mental health and stop implying that lots are just making things up to bend the rules. That isn't for you to decide. You don't know what is going on behind closed doors.

[Completmentfille]

People at serious risk are bound to feel passionately about those who are potentially increasing that risk by their behaviour and thought processes

Yes, and people like me who have family members at severe risk due to lockdown restrictions are also bound to feel passionately. I understand why you feel the way you do. Do you understand why I feel the way I do?

[Mischance]

People at serious risk are bound to feel passionately about those who are potentially increasing that risk by their behaviour and thought processes. What do you expect them to do? - lie back and take it? Pretend they are happy with it? Fine - just do as you will and I am happy to be part of the 1-2%? Shall I order my coffin now?

[RufustheSniggeringReindeer]

@lazylinguist

Well said. Anybody who doesn't understand that there are valid and understandable reasons for both being pro and anti the various Covid measures is being a bit dim. As is anyone who thinks that accusing, shaming and insulting people is a useful way of dealing with the pandemic. Virtue-signalling, hypocrisy and aggressive self-righteousness are rife at the moment, and they only make everything worse.

Absolutely

[Completmentfille]

You're allowed to see someone who is in your support "bubble" as they call it. So go ahead and see your Mum and sister.

Not technically allowed as my sister is an adult. Only single adults get to be part of support bubbles.

[bibliomania]

*misery

[bibliomania]

People are full of fear and anger and panic. Brains are flooded with cortisol - it's fight or flight but there's no place to run. I don't think people are necessarily choosing to react so angrily. At a certain point, it's brain chemistry.

I realise I sound like an alien, studying humans from afar, but it's just that I'm not one of the worse-off. I genuinely feel for all the bloody must people are experiencing.

[bathsh3ba]

I think we've all had a rant and even a sweary one from time to time but I agree fully with the sentiment, and wish people would not feel the need to punctuate every sentence with a swear word too. I teach my kids someone who swears in a discussion/debate has lost the argument... If that's true I think both sides have lost the argument - which is probably quite right since there are no winners.

[MsSafina]

You're allowed to see someone who is in your support "bubble" as they call it. So go ahead and see your Mum and sister.

[BarryWhiteIsMyBrother]

@BertieBloopsMum

That's a very sweary, ranty post from someone who says they want people to show more empathy

I thought exactly the same.

[Completmentfille]

I'm glad some of you got what I was trying to say!!

[pasanda]

Last four posts - perfectly put

OP your point has well and truly been proven

Oh and swear away...

[Sevensilverrings]

I get what your saying.
I think so many people are just at the end of their tether, and probably can’t let go of much in real life...so a bunch of strangers on MN get it in the neck. Social media is awful at times like this. It doesn’t bring out the best in humanity, and it’s so divisive. Things can get very heated and very polarised. All the nuance of actually being human and relating to each other’s reality is gone.
There’s plenty of threads on here full of people helping each other too...you just need to dig a bit.the lovely vipers of MN have pulled me through some really awful times. I have faith in all of us, but times are hard and we need to remember real people are on the other side of what we post.
I hope your family are ok through this and you find ways to look after each other, and that someone is looking out for you too. Better times will come.

[RainbowParadise]

It's quite clear what you are trying to say in your OP but as ever, people have to come on here and start pulling apart every word of your post trying to catch you out in some way, just to argue with you or make themselves feel superior.

I agree, there really should be more balance and empathy on both sides.

[MaxNormal]

Well OP that's your point thoroughly proved
Site is full of dickheads just now.

Its a sweary fucking site and always has been, don't get the pearl clutching around that but then again people will pick up on anything to have a piss and a moan about just now.

[lazylinguist]

Oh please You're in favour of the school's being closed? Not very empathetic there are you about children losing out and what will parents do for childcare if the school's close?

Surely the whole point of the thread is that you can have your own opinion, but that shouldn't stop you from being empathetic and understanding that there are reasons why people hold the opposite opinion.

It is perfectly possible to be personally in favour of schools closing, while fully understanding why many people are not in favour of it.

You could just as well snap at someone who wants schools to remain open "Oh please! You're in favour of schools staying open?! Not very empathetic about school staff with no PPE, or about vulnerable family members of kids going home from their bubbles of 200 kids, are you?!"

[Crakeandoryx]

The world is radging and full of negativity at the moment. It's increasing draining.

[lostallhope77]

And we are doing everything we can to limit transmission, at personal cost, not just financial, I could list the affects on our family but no one on here really cares, plus it doesn't change things.

Big whoop. Unless you’re at risk of losing your home you just don’t get it @frozendaisy.

[Ken1976]

I do my own form of shutdown. I've no idea what the rules are but I think I do have some common sense . I'm lucky . All my family have someone so I'm not too worried about their mental health . I would however go visit them like a shot if they were suffering due to shutdown , whether I'm allowed to or not . I keep my fingers crossed that the children are to stay in school and that their parents are allowed to work , not just my family but the whole country . I can't stand the thought of people losing jobs if places can remain open. Again I'm not talking about my family who are in mostly secure jobs , but Alan over the road with 3 kids and a mortgage and Julie round the corner who is a single mum and struggling to get by . I'm a pensioner with underlying health conditions who was told to shield last time and I'm more concerned about others than I am of myself . I am antisocial so hardly ever go out . I prefer to be at home where I should be safe but I'm not as I have a granddaughter at secondary school and my daughter is a hospital nurse working with covid every day . Both are at risk of passing covid on to me . It's not happened yet and I'm not sat worrying about it . What will be will be

[FractionalGains]

I agree with you OP. No easy answers here and people can legitimately disagree without being selfish.

[DownThePlath]

@Completmentfille

Does it? Everyone I know swears, including at work. It's context, isn't it? If I say "argh, it's fucking raining again" to a colleague, it isn't exactly the same thing as telling them to shut the fuck up, is it.

Of course not lol. God knows what world some of these posters live in

[Completmentfille]

Does it? Everyone I know swears, including at work. It's context, isn't it? If I say "argh, it's fucking raining again" to a colleague, it isn't exactly the same thing as telling them to shut the fuck up, is it.

[DownThePlath]

Maybe in your world 😂

[StockTakeAndWatermelons]

@DownThePlath

Gosh, I didn't realise swearing (shock horror) meant you had no empathy

I think that the fucking point about shitting swearing is that, as soon as you fucking do, it turns a reasonable cunting sentence into something that sounds a damn sight more fucking aggressive. Which doesn't tend to give the fucking impression of bloody empathy.

[frozendaisy]

@lostallhope77

So trust some people do care about the wider community.

That’s lovely but it’s of little comfort when I’m on the verge of losing my home.

And we are doing everything we can to limit transmission, at personal cost, not just financial, I could list the affects on our family but no one on here really cares, plus it doesn't change things.

We don't want this situation either.

[DownThePlath]

Gosh, I didn't realise swearing (shock horror) meant you had no empathy