'the ban includes partners who live elsewhere'

[Muranoandizumi]

Those of you who don't live with your partner and can't form a bubble, will you be seeing them as normal ? Do they expect us to only meet our partner outside and socially distanced for potentially months ?

@loobyloo1234 I know, this is why I don't engage with her, she has been spouting this for ages, not worth wasting your time replying in my opinion as she seems to have no real relationship experience beyond a quick shag and seems quite bitter, god I hope I never become that hollowed out!

@booboo24

I know - I really shouldn't egg these trolls but honestly, what a sad, shallow, selfish life. I'm glad most people have shown warmth on this thread though - its nice most understand what a relationship is and should be

@loobyloo1234 I agree, and even those that don't agree have made their point without being so rude and antagonistic, still, there's always one!!!!

No skin in this part of the game as im married but the problem is no one believes its only for a month, As they have told so many lies.

Just two weeks ago Less than that it was "we are in no way doing another lockdown"

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/pdfs/uksi_20201200_en.pdf

@HarrietOh

I spent weeks apart from my DP last time and really suffered, I was completely alone for weeks it was awful.

Luckily can now have a bubble, but even if there was no bubble rule I would still see him this time.

I hope you don't struggle so much this time ...Best wishes

I'm under immense pressure at work at the moment which has unfortunately (after two years 'clean' from it) triggered me to start self harming again and my depression and anxiety are spiralling out of control.

This time around I will still be seeing my boyfriend during lockdown for this reason. Both of our families are supportive of this. If I don't prioritise my mental health, without sounding incredibly dramatic, I probably won't be around by the new year.

I feel so selfish and awful that I will be breaking the rules to see him but to be honest, I've lost the energy to care

The regulations in England to which I linked above appear to allow people to leave the house including for exercise and recreational purposes and once out they are allowed to gather with one other person - eg two single friends could go out and meet each other. They do not seem to say you have to stay outside at a distance from each other.

You can go out to take exercise "in a public outdoor place, with one other person who is not a member of their household, their linked household or their linked childcare household" and you can go out "to visit a public outdoor place for the purposes of open air recreation— "... "with one other person who is not a member of their household or their linked household, "

So an old lady could go out and sit on a park bench in the sun alone or could meet her neighbour.

You can go out as many times a day as you like for these things - eg you could have 15 walks a day. The one person you meet when out could be numerous as far as I can see so if you have 20 lovers you could have sex with 3 of them every day outside (subject to the laws on breach of the peace). However I have only read the regulations quickly so am happy if people find a provision in them which is different from what I describe above.

No, you are supposed to socially distance from people you meet up with.

Where does it say that in the regulations - www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/pdfs/uksi_20201200_en.pdf

The social distancing guidelines are in here:

www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november?priority-taxon=774cee22-d896-44c1-a611-e3109cce8eae#meeting-others-safely

I am not sure if distancing was ever mentioned in any laws, probably because it would be almost impossible to police, unless the police are going to follow people around with a tape measure to check how far apart they are. It is important to do though, as the closer you get to someone the higher the risk of transmitting COVID if one of you has it.

I'll be seeing mine. We can't live together and I don't want to. Both my adult sin and I have asd whilst my other half has adhd, so he only stays over once a week anyway with a few shorter visits in the week. I love him dearly but I'd kill him if he moved in with us.

Richard, thanks. So it is clear now - that is not the law and you do not have to follow it. In fact that is consistent with earlier rules - the 2 meters, the 1 meter were all so vague they were never put into law so purely optional.

Thus it seems to me you can lawfully meet your sexual partner for recreation outside and touch them. You could also meet 20 sexual partners on one day and touch them outside. Mind you it is very cold today so I doubt anyone will be up to much.

If you are a single parent household and your 'support bubble' includes another adult/family, you're allowed to see them. Boris said so. I checked. It's true.

Yes but seeing them outside for a walk is not really what primary relationships are about and I'm NOT talking about sex. Also, this just shows, again, how ridiculous the rules are.. You could legally meet 20+ different people outside in a day, and each of them could do likewise. Transmission is more difficult but impossible given that you are unlikely to be 100% careful at all times. Contrast that with seeing one other person only, indoors, regularly.. Especially when tja person, as seems evident on here is also mixing with few people.

Sorry, transmission is not impossible..

I certainly don't want to spread anything untrue about the regulations but as far as I can see you can go out for as many walks / for recreation per day to see as many people as you like as long as the gathering is only with one person. My son gathered with his (male, adult) friend yesterday - no touching not that they would anyway as they are both careful and they were at school, not in a relationship or anything. That is the only one he met yesterday so we are certainly not sitting here breaking rules or even guidance. You can also meet your support bubble etc etc.

If your boyfriend lives alone and you live with chidlren you can both meet regularly and I thikn inside but I have not checked that recently - so those rich enough to live alone like my daughter and her boyfriend who both have their own places they can meet. If you are not rich and live with your parents and your partner does too or you are in house shares then I think you can just meet that one other person and only outside but you can get as close to them as you like under the law (but not the guidance).

If I am wrong about the Regulations in England that came into force yesterday I would be happy to hear which bit of the law prohibits the touching outside and no I am not saying this is the new dogging law - recreation outside as close as you like as long as only with one not two people.... although I think it does allow that subject to breach of the peace rules but things like holding hands sounds like it is lawful as long as outside and only with one person.

Obviously I am not defending the laws. I would only have had guidance and left it up to people's common sense and that would have done a lot more good to more people in my view. I know not everyone agrees. One survey this week found 73% in England support this lock down.

If your boyfriend lives alone and you live with chidlren you can both meet regularly and I thikn inside

Yes, if that's you support bubble. But you can only have one and you can't change it.