Why doesn’t China have a second wave?

[Custardcream67]

China had the initial wave of infections early 2020 then hardly any cases since. Their population is much bigger than UK. How can they have it so under control. Seems suspicious to me.

@anniegun

Nobody can plead "anxiety" for refusing to follow a few sensible rules

apart from the Brits and half of MN posters 😂

@merrymouse

No one we know knows of anyone who has had it so I don’t think the figures are suspicious.

But China is a very big place. There are parts of the UK where it is likely that nobody knows anyone who has had the virus - that doesn't mean the virus doesn't exist in Europe.

I live in Northern Ireland and I don't know anybody who has had it.

It is interesting to compare countries and how others view them . There was an article in the guardian yesterday about a British woman who moved to Portland in us 5 years ago with daughter and American husband. Anyway with trump and riots etc she felt so unsafe she moved back to London and us back here now quarantining at her parents. The interesting bit for me is that she said she was watching our Dominic Cummings outrage in our news here with envy- how lucky we were to have such a non story to be outraged about when she was in real peril with riots and wildfires etc.
Helps keep our worries in perspective and realise how lucky we are to live here with our slightly disorganised but non authoritarian gov that we are allowed to laugh at and criticise without fear of “disappearing”.
Becareful what you wish for springs to mind

They have sequenced the coronavirus DNA. Apparently most people in Europe have had a mutated virus which spread from France and Italy rather than from Wuhan. Recent infections in the UK seem to have come via another mutation which emerged in Spain in the summer. By contrast to the strict quarantine in China, we have had much more travel which seems to have spread it more. I agree that it is much easier for the Chinese government to control what citizens do but I am sure that not testing at airports and much more international travel has helped spread it here.

People actually listened to their lockdown that's why. (I would too, they have a much stronger and scary government that we do)
Here I know a lot of people who didn't bother with the lockdown, carrying on with their lives and meeting friends, family members etc inside with no social distancing. I'm in the north of England currently which is where the highest cases are.

Feb -
"Chinese authorities have been locking people inside their own homes to stop the spread of coronavirus."

metro.co.uk/2020/02/02/wuhan-woman-screams-chinese-authorities-barricade-inside-home-12162599/

That's why I said probably, not definitely @ShanghaiDiva though fair enough, possibly might have been a better word. But what I do know for certain is that the people my DH deals with are extremely coy about it all if he asks them anything. They are Chinese, not ex pats, and not in cities that I had ever heard of before DH started doing business with them which I suppose could possibly mean that their experiences and beliefs about their Government might be different to other people's? In a country with a land mass of nearly 10 million square km and the biggest population of any nation in the world its surely possible that things are being handled differently in different places, even given the authoritarian nature of the central government?

Nobody can plead "anxiety" for refusing to follow a few sensible rules*
apart from the Brits and half of MN posters* 😂

Anxiety and mental health problems are not a fucking joke. I spent the best part of two years as a virtual prisoner in my own home because of them. You(both of you) and your ableist comments are despicable.

I know someone who travelled to Beijing from her home city for 2 or 3 days. While in the huge city of Beijing there was a small outbreak of the virus just in one part of the city. In returning to her home city she had to quarantine- wasn't allowed home.

They did when they came out of lockdown.

But I don’t want to live in a country where anxious people are forced to wear masks. No thanks. I much prefer our voluntary compliance even if not 100% than forcing anxious people to do something that they find it very difficult to do
Thank god I live here!

@MrsAvocet
No doubt there are variations between provinces. Beijing, for example, was much stricter than where I lived with regard to delaying children going back to school. The local police force also has input eg friends of mine completed two weeks in a quarantine centre followed by two weeks self isolation in their flat as the local police were concerned about foreigners brining the virus back in.

They didn't have useless Dido Harding involved in their track and trace.

@AllPlayedOut
Nobody here has excused the Chinese govt’s treatment of the Uighurs.

@MrsAvocet they are coy because of fear of speaking out. Since everything is monitored if they speak out they know what will happen.

I have a friend who is from Singapore, she wipes images from her phone and when she goes to events and wants to do recreational drugs (her choice) she'll have special words for it so they don't know because she told me when she goes back they go through her phone.

I would never want to live in a country that does things like that

They probably had a vaccine before they released the virus.

Of course it’s more palatable to believe that China is lying rather than reflect on our own poor management of the crisis.

Indeed.

I have students from near Wuhan. They haven't been able to go home for this year as as soon as they land, they MUST go to a quarantine hotel for 14 days.

Cities are locked down & everyone tested. And now life goes on as normal in Wuhan, with no further uncontrolled outbreaks.

And if you're isolated to your apartment, you are provided with basic food & other necessities.

They probably had a vaccine before they released the virus.

Oh FFS. I hope that's a joke, although in pretty poor taste.

I have posted this photo before. This is my dh returning to China in March. He had to wear this suit and was then transferred to the quarantine facility: no home isolation, no trip to the supermarket, no public transport.
This is one of the ways they controlled the virus.

As pp have said, my Chinese friends cannot believe what is happening in the uk.

I know my Chinese students feel quite unsafe here: racism in the streets (it's thinly veiled in some posts in this thread), and no feeling of security that the UK government has the competence or the interest in keeping its citizens safe.

Comparing number of tests per week or per head of population is pointless.

What's important is whether you are testing enough. There's very little benefit to China increasing tests to the level the UK are testing if positivity rates are low, it's well targetted and everyone who needs a test gets one. Whereas the UK needs to up it's game significantly as the positivity rates suggest a lot of cases are being missed and there are presumably plenty of people walking around who should be isolating and aren't.

Obviously lying. Blatantly. There was a period when they were reporting nil cases early on, but then when other countries flagged it, they suddenly reported ridiculously small number.