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Should we submit to the lockdown or fight back?

561 replies

pontypridd · 01/11/2020 00:00

Just this.

I feel scared writing it. I know I'll be flamed.

But how long can people live like this for? I've lost so many family over the years - my mum too when I was young. We all get sick and die.

We can't lock up the whole world because of Covid. Are we just all going to submit? Or do we, should we fight for our freedom?

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TiersTiersTiers · 01/11/2020 12:19

Isn't it about stopping hospitals being overun with cases?
So what are you planning to do to Fight back ' then @pontypridd

MaxNormal · 01/11/2020 12:20

You guys are more concerned with saying up yours to your government than dealing with the pandemic you're in.

I must have hallucinate the demonstrations and riots in European countries then.
Or are you suggesting we do that instead of just moaning?

hashbrownsandwich · 01/11/2020 12:23

@BunsyGirl

It would be so easy for me to wholeheartedly support a lockdown. I have a big house (by U.K. standards), large garden, kids at a private school which is doing absolutely everything that it can to mitigate Covid and provide the best education it can, I can WFH, my husband has been WFH for the last two years, we have savings, PIL are very comfortable and would help out financially if we needed them to...but no, I don’t support another lockdown. That’s nothing to do with me wanting to go to the bloody pub or the shops...I barely did that pre-Covid anyway. It’s about the long term future of this country and the people that live in it. The truth is that I haven’t felt so empassioned about something since I was shown a video at law school. That video was of the police beating the shit out of miners. Those miners were fighting for their futures and their family’s futures. This absolutely feels the same to me. And to a previous poster, asking the OP whether she was willing to stand as an MP. Well, I absolutely am. As for who I would stand for, that’s another question as I don’t feel like any of the major parties represent my views at the moment.

From your outlook here I would suggest you stand for the Monster Raving Looney party.

TiersTiersTiers · 01/11/2020 12:23

@alliwanttodoiseatcarbs

No wonder the uk is a shit show. You guys are more concerned with saying up yours to your government than dealing with the pandemic you're in. Your hospital system is under pressure.

All I've read on here for months is whinging about restrictions and how you won't put up with it any longer. Well now you're fucked, you have to deal with it and stop being such a bunch of bloody whingers. Lots of other countries are dealing with lockdowns and preventing mass deaths - news flash, you aren't special.

People didn't follow simple guidelines so this is where it has ended up......... The number of prats on here all along saying that they won't follow masks, SD, minimise contacts, go on holiday, continue to carry on ignoring means a full lock down again..... And again..... And again ....probably
TiersTiersTiers · 01/11/2020 12:24

Follow rules, wear masks etc etc etcetc....Hmm

MaxNormal · 01/11/2020 12:26

From your outlook here I would suggest you stand for the Monster Raving Looney party.

That was a thoughtful and compassionate post, your response says everything about you.

MarshaBradyo · 01/11/2020 12:29

@BunsyGirl

It would be so easy for me to wholeheartedly support a lockdown. I have a big house (by U.K. standards), large garden, kids at a private school which is doing absolutely everything that it can to mitigate Covid and provide the best education it can, I can WFH, my husband has been WFH for the last two years, we have savings, PIL are very comfortable and would help out financially if we needed them to...but no, I don’t support another lockdown. That’s nothing to do with me wanting to go to the bloody pub or the shops...I barely did that pre-Covid anyway. It’s about the long term future of this country and the people that live in it. The truth is that I haven’t felt so empassioned about something since I was shown a video at law school. That video was of the police beating the shit out of miners. Those miners were fighting for their futures and their family’s futures. This absolutely feels the same to me. And to a previous poster, asking the OP whether she was willing to stand as an MP. Well, I absolutely am. As for who I would stand for, that’s another question as I don’t feel like any of the major parties represent my views at the moment.
Do you think the briefing which described health care staff having to choose who receives care etc is a potential issue?

If so what would you do now instead of a lockdown?

If not why

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 01/11/2020 12:29

My husband’s families were miners. They absolutely support lockdown. They are seething that they were only offered 2/3 pay and now the south is included it’s suddenly full furlough pay.

But thanks for the sympathy about the miners😐

peasoup8 · 01/11/2020 12:31

There are some real idiots on this thread. It's not about crying because we can't go to the fucking pub, it's about the fact that we're out of work for who knows how long this time.

Exactly. I’m sick of comfortably off posters in secure jobs preaching to the rest of us, some of whom face losing our homes because of this second lockdown. My child could well be homeless for Christmas. Am in tears as I type this.

hashbrownsandwich · 01/11/2020 12:35

@MaxNormal

From your outlook here I would suggest you stand for the Monster Raving Looney party.

That was a thoughtful and compassionate post, your response says everything about you.

If you too were a frontline health care worker seeing multiple people dying from it, perhaps you would see things differently.

BunsyGirl · 01/11/2020 12:40

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince I am Northern and working class by the way! Or at least I was born working class and had a childhood blighted by unemployment. Incidentally, furlough is 80% max of pay, so a bit more than 2/3, but definitely not 100% unless the employer covered the 20% themselves.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 01/11/2020 12:48

No, furlough pay was not 80% for places in Tier 3 this time.. Which is why Burnham went mad. But now in full lockdown suddenly money for full furlough arrived as the south is now included.

SeverusSnape1 · 01/11/2020 13:10

@hashbrownsandwich so now it's looney to care about the economic impacts of the lockdown? God, some of you have truly and utterly lost the plot!

BunsyGirl · 01/11/2020 13:15

@hashbrownsandwich So instead of coming back with a critical argument, you respond with an abusive comment. Do you think that will make me agree with you?

BunsyGirl · 01/11/2020 13:18

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince I see what you’re saying now and I understand why your family members may look at it that way. I’m not so sure though. I was told that the delay to yesterday’s press conference was due to some Tory MP’s threatening to vote against another lockdown. It may have very well been the Northern MPs who were doing that and reinstating furlough was the sweatener to get them to agree.

Nat6999 · 01/11/2020 13:21

It's not lockdown that we should be protesting about, it's the fact that the health service has been so badly underfunded for years, that hospitals have been closed down, wards closed, staff underpaid so much that many have left their professions, clinics reduced, treatments & medications restricted. If the health service had been properly funded & huge chunks hadn't been sold off to private companies then it wouldn't be as badly hit by the Covid crisis, there would have been enough beds & ventilators to cope with the increased need & restrictions wouldn't have needed to be so severe.

hashbrownsandwich · 01/11/2020 13:25

[quote SeverusSnape1]@hashbrownsandwich so now it's looney to care about the economic impacts of the lockdown? God, some of you have truly and utterly lost the plot![/quote]

Of course the economic impact needs to be considered. As I've said before, the hospitality sector has been my lifeline financially and I genuinely don't see how some of us will make it through this. However, as someone who has also seen the frontline situation and the reality of the virus, there's no way we can ignore the daily deaths let alone the projected figures.

hashbrownsandwich · 01/11/2020 13:29

[quote BunsyGirl]@hashbrownsandwich So instead of coming back with a critical argument, you respond with an abusive comment. Do you think that will make me agree with you?[/quote]

I found your original post to be self-indulgent. While I commend your comments about the miners, the fact you have detailed not only your wealth but felt the need to mention your PIL too, makes me think you don't truly understand the impact of the virus first hand.

For context, I have a job which is key worker and healthcare now, we get paid minimum money for high risk of exposure, although obviously PPE is there.

I am by no means well off, yet I am fortunate not to be as badly off as I have been in the past.

I apologise if you found my comment rude, objectively though there's no plainer way for me to say I do genuinely believe that anyone thinking this lockdown shouldn't happen purely from a health and death point of view, is lunactic.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 01/11/2020 13:33

Selfish behaviour has sent us back into lockdown! All those who have made up their own version or feel the rules do not apply to them have caused this!

#followtherules #protectnhsandschools

hashbrownsandwich · 01/11/2020 13:34

@StaffAssociationRepresentative

Selfish behaviour has sent us back into lockdown! All those who have made up their own version or feel the rules do not apply to them have caused this!

#followtherules #protectnhsandschools

Exactly!

RedToothBrush · 01/11/2020 13:44

@StaffAssociationRepresentative

Selfish behaviour has sent us back into lockdown! All those who have made up their own version or feel the rules do not apply to them have caused this!

#followtherules #protectnhsandschools

Its funny that this is this post that got quoted.

But not the one that says:

It's not lockdown that we should be protesting about, it's the fact that the health service has been so badly underfunded for years, that hospitals have been closed down, wards closed, staff underpaid so much that many have left their professions, clinics reduced, treatments & medications restricted. If the health service had been properly funded & huge chunks hadn't been sold off to private companies then it wouldn't be as badly hit by the Covid crisis, there would have been enough beds & ventilators to cope with the increased need & restrictions wouldn't have needed to be so severe.

The issue starts and ends with wanting lower taxation and PFI over the last couple of decades.

If you want to look at the selfish argument I'd direct you to those in power...

lazylinguist · 01/11/2020 13:45

What it boils down to is that there seem to be only 3 types of opinion about this situation.

  1. People who want more restrictions in order to preserve more lives, and think that those who are anti-restrictions don't give a shit about people dying.
  2. People who want fewer restrictions to preserve livelihoods and mental health, and believe that those in favour of restrictions don't give a shit about jobs or mental health.
  3. People who understand that actually, pretty much everyone cares about lives, jobs and mental health, that all choices will mean suffering for some, and that we basically have not much choice but to follow the rules anyway, that calling people thick and selfish doesn't help anyone, and that everyone's view is affected by their own circumstances.

It's not rocket science to see which one is the more reasonable opinion.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 01/11/2020 13:55

@RedToothBrush schools have also been underfunded for the past decade or school. The education system is creaking the same way as the nhs.

But still - people should not be making up their own Covid rules because rules only apply to other people. If this locked gets extended or then includes to schools because people cant be arsed to follow the rules I will really really passed off.

liverbird10 · 01/11/2020 13:59

@BigB008ies

I'm gonna fight back by putting pencils up my nose, pants on my head and run around shouting, wibble.
I think this is the most sensible course of action.
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